Is New Vegas a Western?

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by CT Phipps, May 11, 2018.

  1. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    I was curious about your interpretation of the story that way.

    It has Western motifs but is it actually a Western-Western?

    What's your opinion?

    And what is the most Western way to play it?
     
  2. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    Of Course a western. Fallout has always had strong western themes. Because that's what it is a somewhat lawless civilization. It also has themes of imperialism.
     
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  3. NMLevesque

    NMLevesque Commie Ghost

    Jul 2, 2016
    The wandering desperado who strolls into towns, getting into gunfights, spouting tough-guy/gal lines, as they do the dirty work that needs doing...I'm not exactly familiar with the traits of a western but cosmetically it seems downright appropriate.
     
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  4. Valdetiosi

    Valdetiosi Still Mildly Glowing

    Jul 14, 2017
    They are set upon desert areas so it makes sense for it to have western themes, Mojave especially. Capital Wasteland from my knowledge is not having much sand, so it feels more like Military shooter, tbh.
     
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  5. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Yeah, it has a lot of elements of a Western.
    Protagonist is robbed and left for dead, miraculously survives and tries to find his would-be-assassin, meets different factions trying to control an otherwise lawless region, and potentially double-crosses a whole lot of them.
    Classic Western storyline from movies like Hang Em High, the Dollar Trilogy and so on.
    The Western elements, as said above, have always been present in Fallout, starting with Shady Sands and its adobe-like architecture and problems with bandits, Junktown with its rivaling "rulers" (Killian specifically enforcing "frontier justice" in his ending slide), Boneyard with its gangs and a group of armed people basically enslaving a group of people...
    Fallout is basically a post-apocalyptic Sci Fi Western in many ways.
    The only way NV could have been more Western is if it had more ponchos.
     
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  6. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    Now that I think on it heavy western elements and a wild west feel is a big part of fallouts identity that just outright isn't present in fallout 3 or 4.
     
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  7. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    It is why they base their games on the east coast in which those elements are much less prevalent. When you think west you think desert.
     
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  8. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    It's kinda hard to have a Western in the East, innit.
    I like Western mashups with other genres. Sci Fi and Space Western in particular.
     
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  9. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    Not really. All a western is is a set of concepts, cliches and character types. Logan is a western. Breaking bad is a western. No country for old men is a western. Hell fuckin tremors for is a western. It's a highly flexible genre that is only loosely defined outside of the 50s.
     
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  10. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    He is joking.
     
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  11. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    You'd think emphasizing the "west" and ending the sentence with "innit" would be obvious enough, but hey, confirmed retard gonna confirm.
    While Westerns are named after the (Wild) West, the concepts can be applied to any time or region. Although I guess I wouldn't call them purely "Western" then, since "Western" means a particular time and region (with some leeway for all the subgenres such as Spaghetti Western, Revisionist Western and so on).
    I guess Breaking Bad and Logan would be called Neo Western, for example, and New Vegas would be more like a (post-apocalyptic) Science Fiction Western. There's a Western subgenre for everyone!

    (Is there Trap Porn Western for Graves? Probably!)
     
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  12. Millim

    Millim What the fuck is this for a shit?!

    Oct 13, 2010
    New Vegas is a western in setting, but I find the original Fallout to be closer to a Western in genre.
     
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  13. Jassassino

    Jassassino First time out of the vault

    May 12, 2018
    I can certainly see it as a Western. Fallout 1 and 2 borrow particular popular elements from the Western genre in different ways which I think differentiates the products and why we may determine them all as Westerns but very differently. You even have fantasy-western elements in 2, which were popular even in films like High Plains Drifter with the protagonist having visions and premonitions of the future. I think New Vegas is very partial to the Western Aesthetic more than the storytelling, but elements are still there for sure.
     
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  14. MPPlantOfficial

    MPPlantOfficial Still Mildly Glowing

    Aug 24, 2017
    Doesn't exist in the game. The most Western way to play it would probably be you and Benny in a quick draw and story ends there.
    Somebody mod that in there.
     
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  15. Lone Cat

    Lone Cat It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Apr 8, 2012
    Wild west wasteland is what true Fallout should be :P
    'cept one thing, horseback riding is missing :P
     
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  16. Pariah Dog

    Pariah Dog bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018
    You can get pretty close to that by basically saying "time to die" to Benny when he's still on the casino floor at the Tops. It then becomes a game of blowing Benny's brains out before he clears leather and the AI on his goons kicks in.
     
  17. Eshanas

    Eshanas Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Jul 6, 2016
    It could had been more of a western, rather, it could had applied those tropes more, that's for sure.

    We have mines but they're all dungeons. A sulfur mine or two, maybe a old gold mine. A quest line about a boom might had been nice rather than that odd Powder Ganger spinoff who is apparently important enough to get an ending slide despite not fighting at the battle?

    More town-related stuff like dealing with corrupt sheriffs and lawmen and mayors. We have one ornery deputy, a shitty motel owner, and that's about it. West and North Vegas are bastions of anarchy, apparently, with little to no problems up top.

    Caravan hits, various runs, even more courier work would had all been welcome and fleshed out the game a bit and added a nice layer of 'western', along with little details in avatar customization via clothes and armor.
     
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  18. Beardy Unixer

    Beardy Unixer First time out of the vault

    Apr 24, 2018
    I wear a poncho in real life, and I've never felt out of place playing Fallout.
     
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  19. Cobra Commander

    Cobra Commander A Smooth-Skin

    Dec 6, 2016
    Use a Cowboy Repeater and Lucky pistol, use a cowboy hat and the sherrif duster. Find people to shoot.

    Also, collect and eat all coyote tobacco chew you see ahead.
     
  20. Pariah Dog

    Pariah Dog bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018
    Does coyote tobacco count as a chem?