Different Concepts for the Legion

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by Faceless Stranger, Sep 3, 2011.

  1. Threepwood

    Threepwood Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Nov 4, 2010
    In what world would:

    "Urg! Bloody Muslims and their need to blow shit up all the time."

    Be acceptable? Oh right, none.
     
  2. Quagmire69

    Quagmire69 Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Mar 17, 2011
    In Fallout 2 difenitly a Nazi feel, 3 seemed to be more CIA black ops.

    Brotherhood of Steel seems to have quasi fascist bent, elitist, see most people as trash. The problem with the Legion is thier not even what thier supposed to be. Its not like they have anything in common with the real roman empire, the legion is really more just abunch of murdering raping assholes who don't like alcohol, non pregnant women.

    The NCR could be reamagined as well. Less cowboy, more no America coming to rebuild civilisation like they were in fallout 2.
     
  3. Mr Krepe

    Mr Krepe Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Mar 28, 2010
    Oh, the ignorace! I'll 'oh, the ignorance' you! I'll think you'll find that the Mongol 'Empire' was actually made up of several participating empires which formed into the larger Mongol 'Empire', representatives being from each state and so on. These states including but wasn't limited to: Empire of the Golden Horde (mostly russia and eastern europe), Empire of the Great Khan (Mongolia, Korea, China), Il-Khan Empire (Middle East i.e. Persia) and Empire of Chagatai (the steppe lands i.e Kazakhstan). But, I kinda' like the idea of the Legion Empire not being an Empire, more like a country made up of several participated empires, like a confederation.
     
  4. :::SILUS:::

    :::SILUS::: Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Aug 18, 2011
    FAIL AGAIN. That was what happened after Genghis Khan died and the empire split between his would-be successors and slowly died away. It was one single giant empire at it's peak.
     
  5. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 10, 2011
    No, no it was not. The "Mongol Empire" was made up of several smaller empires all united in the goal of killing the shit out of everyone else.
     
  6. :::SILUS:::

    :::SILUS::: Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    313
    Aug 18, 2011
    Ok, now you're just talking out of your ass and/or trolling. Read a book and admit your mistake.
     
  7. Mr Krepe

    Mr Krepe Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Mar 28, 2010
    Anyway, what you say is folly, when Genghis Khan died, the empire didn't split apart until several generations later, I myself am talking about Kublai Khan, one of the greatest Khan's and arguably the second greatest Khan of the empire. He took rule of the empire with an iron fist, and divided the empire into several small successor empires, with each their own khan, which he himself ruled over, holding council with the seperate khans and so on. Oh, wait, Kublai Khan was the greatest khan, as the empire met it's greatest extent under Kublai Khan's conquest of china (song dynasty) in 1279, and it was it's most stable in his reign. Please stop bolding as if it makes your point more valid.
     
  8. :::SILUS:::

    :::SILUS::: Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Aug 18, 2011
    I really can't see what this post is supposed to accomplish when it was still one single giant empire while under the greatest Mongol leader of all time, Genghis. And i really don't think anyone ever disputes that Genghis's reign was the greatest period in Mongol history.
     
  9. Mr Krepe

    Mr Krepe Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Mar 28, 2010
    Yeah, and when it was about 3/4 times bigger than under Genghis, Kublai had it under rule from several smaller empires. But I see your point, and we are both clearly talking about different times in the Mongol timeline.
     
  10. Wintermind

    Wintermind Vault Senior Citizen

    Jan 21, 2011
    By the way, there aren't any (legal) whores in Vegas. You've gotta go a county over for that. And it's sad that's one of the few places it's legal.
     
  11. RRBM

    RRBM First time out of the vault

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    Jul 28, 2011
    The Legion needed more whoremongering. Whoremongering, and religion.

    Vast amounts. I just hope Bethesda sees this post, so they'll know the score come Fallout 4.
     
  12. Sabirah

    Sabirah Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Jul 10, 2011
    Sad that it isn't illegal everywhere?
     
  13. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    So without religion you would be completely hopeless? that says mroe about extremely religious people than atheists, people that cannot conceive life being any good outside of their little world.


    One thing they kind of wasted was the idea of the Legion using trained animals in battle, the easter egg in the Legate's Tent suggest they know about Yao-Guai, they could even capture supermutats and subject them to a training of torture and famish to make them more agressive to release into enemy lines.
     
  14. Wintermind

    Wintermind Vault Senior Citizen

    Jan 21, 2011
    Sad that it is mostly illegal. Much like drug use, it causes more harm to society than it prevents. Laws should exist to protect people. How does prostitution hurt people?
     
  15. Sabirah

    Sabirah Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Jul 10, 2011
    My cousin back home once told me a story.

    When she volunteered at a women's shelter, one day a girl came in. She had to be no more then 19 years old. When asked about why she was there she related her story. What happened was a man in her slum had befriended her to the point where they were deeply in love. Then when hard times came to them he made her move into Mumbai with him, where he prostituted her to men. After a year she could not take it anymore and ran away.

    No prostitute gets into the life willingly.
     
  16. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    That's false, there is not just one kind of protitution. Little worldview.
     
  17. Wintermind

    Wintermind Vault Senior Citizen

    Jan 21, 2011
    If prostitution were legal, horror stories like that would not happen. Fucked up shit like that happens because it's illegal in the first place. It'd also fuck with the Russians and the like smuggling girls into the country to become prostitutes.

    Plenty of girls get into the life willingly. Especially where it's legal. It's like the porn industry.
     
  18. Ilosar

    Ilosar Vault Fossil

    Apr 20, 2010
    Gotta step in because, no, they don't. I worked for a social shelter (nasty job, but also by far the most instructive in my life), and all the prostitutes I met (no precise count, two dozen at least) didn't get into it by choice. They were either drugged wretches, at the mercy of ruthless pimps, or in solely for the money, to pay for their alcohol, drugs, rent, family, children, studies because their parents ditched them, you name it, it existed. It's a last resort option and nothing more. Some take a liking to it, sometimes. The vast majority are not happy with that life. That said, I am excluding luxurious call-girls and the like, often they do chose to lead that life, but they encounter nowhere near the abuse and misery your run-of-the-mill street prostitute does.

    BUT, that's all off-topic. The Legion needs more focus, on that anyone can agree.

    (they are still annoying murderers and rapists who deserve nothing more than a .50 cal to the face, however)
     
  19. Faceless Stranger

    Faceless Stranger Board Drifter

    Aug 19, 2010
    As per my idea, I would find it easier to side with soldiers that look a little more like this:



    Than I would with the Legion Soldiers now:



    Considering the NCR uniforms are already based in British army uniforms, it wouldn't be too far fetched for a contrast like this.

    And if I saw soldiers like that, who are more or less equal to the NCR, instead of slavers using kids as weapons, injured at and at a true stalemate with the NCR, having wounded troops like those outside Forlorn Hope instead of the seemingly invincible Legion, I'd be much more inclined to side with them, especially if they're fleshed out and their authoritarian system being shown to have a positive effect of the post-apocalyptic world.
     
  20. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    But there you are makign a compeltely different Faction, not an alternate Legion, it deviates too much from the original concept and I think it can be used well, the Legion just needs more focus.