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Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Gonzalez, Jan 20, 2012.
You know, I commend that attitude, by saying that you are already acknowledging you have no preconceived prejudices against the country, and that can't be bad.
If you really want to know I would be happy to tell you all about it.
The spirits of angry and chaos pop up and let the bad hatred go out to play.
My personal opinion on Malvinas question: while maybe Argentina has a claim on the islands, UK sure as hell doesn't have (among many other arguable issues, the place was invaded and it's too far away from UK - and not on a straight open line, like the Hawai to US). It should either be returned or be acknowledge as shitty-small independent state.
Don't dabble with Communism and it wouldn't happen.
Kidding.....but still, what about all those Dictators before the ones we put in? Where they come from?
Well they have long been established as shitty island and often referred to as such.
But Banana People? Also said I was American NOT British...ain't my territory.
and do you grow Bananas there? And if you do, well we haven't heard about it.....probable because Nazis take it's spot in that list.
I could be a dick and be like "Get over it Bro! That shit was like a thousand years ago, dude"
Or I could be a Prick and be like "Well they wanted it more then you do"
But I will go with "The UK and Agentina fought over the world's biggest turd one time......Humans are silly silly people"
also nice not-mention of the people that live there. Fuck those guys.
I don't know?
No, don't worry. If you ask me, it's pretty dumb to generalize like that.
Hey, those are beautiful mountains in Argentina! Before I die, I would like to see the Andes with my own eyes.
Hey there Gonzalez, I thinks it's the brazilians that are famous for having right wing extremists. But even that feels too exaggerating. Also, Argentina has always had a large jewish population as far as I know.
But the country that is mostly famous for it's right wing extremists(although they aren't really right wing extremists, they proudly call themselves Neo Nazis)is russia. They house some 70000 neo nazis. Here take a look:
Exactly why I'm annoyed by the lack of knowledge on Russia. Everyone accuses us of being communists when it's a thing of a past. Seriously, does no one remember how South Korea adviced its citizens not to go to Russia after two Korean tourists were murdered by these Neo-Nazis?
And after such blind ignorance they're able to get a job and actually earn money.
Back on topic.
One of my home-countries is Mexico. Whilst not labeled racist, the general stereotype of an Argentinian is of a guy enamored with his country, entitled, and absolutely certain of its inherent superiority. Kind of like the stereotypical Frenchman in American pop culture. For the most part, I think this is a pissing contest to determine "the most awesomer country in spanish-speaking latin america" or something.
That said, prejudice and sweeping generalizations are usually favored by people who don't travel, don't read and don't think. The occasional joke or two are fun (mostly because they make fun of the simplified stereotype itself), but paying real attention to ignorant loudmouths' opinions is a waste of time.
I see Argentinians as racist. But that's because I live here.
all latinos are racists and prejudiced. they all hate each other (the central and south american nationalities).
all the central and south american latinos hate the mexicans. but all agree that the cubans are the worst of the bunch.
If it's all about that stupid rivalry between nationalities then I'm not that worried. It's like the french with the british hating each other and then they saying Italy is a corrupt country, and then all the historical hate between France and Germany and I could go on and on.
But for a moment I thought that maybe people had the idea we had like severe racial problems in our nation, or that our country in particular was the most racist of the region or something like that. To the point they were almost calling me a racist to the face. But I from all the comments I red here I guess they were in fact just trolling.
That, my good man, was awesome!
Some posts in this thread made me laugh a bit
If you allow me to go back to the original topic, racism, I think it is important to mention the fact that, on a very general level, "rich" people in Argentina tend to be white, while people from the lower classes tend to be what is usually called black (here, "black" usually means "with characteristics of indigenous people", not Afroamerican).
So, it's not uncommon to find this kind of thoughts in an Argentine middle class or rich person's brain:
"poor = criminal"
"black = poor"
"black = poor = criminal"
What makes these prejudices worse is that people from our lower classes tend to like a certain kind of music called cumbia villera. Some of the songs' lyrics are actually about crime, drugs, etc. So it all spices up the stereotype according to which a guy with a dark skin color will attack you with a knife, steal your shoes and rape you if you two are alone in the street, then use your money to buy paco (a very cheap drug).
Some people from the middle class will actually cross the street or have some other "omg be careful!" reaction if they see a person with such physical characteristics walking near them.
So I personally think there actually IS racism in some parts of our society. If people from other countries believe we Argentineans are racist, my bet is that they've only met some right wing upper middle class white people.
That racism was never the main inspiration of any government, but many would say that it is important for the current local neoliberal government of the city of Buenos Aires, which has carried out violent activities on poor people in the name of "security".
However if we go back to the 19th century, racism against indigenous people was a very important aspect of some of our governments ("kill the barbarians and bring hard working Europeans to the Patagonia!", true story).
Another rather off topic thing I might add if you allow me, about the "Peron was nazi!" thing, yeah, the dude was a bit fascist and nobody can deny that, yet as people have said already, jews were not persecuted, and in fact the peronist government never did any persecution in the name of some ethnical/national cleansing bullshit. As far as I know the only persecution during that government was rather for "mere" political reasons, and I'd even say it was not such a big deal, mostly limited to less freedom of speech and blackmailing big companies. I would never call Perón a nazi, but I would say he was a bit inspired by European fascism, though only in the role fascism gave to the State in the economy. Also, Perón probably "liked" the fascist governments more than the liberal and communist ones because the USA and the USSR were real threats to Argentinean independence, while fascist countries were not, and fascism was over when he became president in 1946.
Why saying thing when others did it already.
I'll answer your original question... as an American, these are my general thoughts on Argentina (not many, to be honest):
One badass motherfuckin' flag.
The whole sweeping idea that South America has some kind of disdain for the US.
A very strong sense of nationalism/patriotism.
Argentinians generally dislike Chileans and vice-versa. (this was told to me by a Chilean, so I took it with a grain of salt.)
I've heard this before, I believe while in a discussion about Chile.
Also, I've heard that thing someone mentioned about them being Italians.
These are probably completely wrong, but it's just what I've heard over the years xD But yeah, I don't often think about Argentina. Just its awesome flag.
It depends. Had we retaliated immediately, no, I'd view them still as ours. Had we waited 150 years complaining, then attacked back... by then I believe our window to fight back on the justice that they're "ours" has closed.
I'll admit that I am largely ignorant about the Falklands, and I'm not trying to take any sides on the issue but reading through this discussion, that analogy just didn't sit right with me.
Most people have home countries, but Wooz's background is so flavourful, he's rather got "room countries"
Also, I split the Falklands de-rail, which can be found here: http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=60984
And I think beef. You do still make beef in Argentina?
And when I think Argentinian beef, I think Amsterdam *shrug*.
It's just too darn far away and off the mentally beaten track for me to give any consideration to whether Argentinians have any propensity towards racism, but I'd thank the Hitler-in-Hiding myth for at least some of that perception.
As a Brazilian (therefore, a natural rival to Argentinians), I think the perception of it is the fact Argentinians in the old days of yore had a sad tedency to think of themselves as pretty rich firstworld people, considering their darker-skinned neighboors a bunch of poor scum. Argentinians aren't considerated racist as much as they're considerated arrogant, like those formely rich people who still have "IM RICH SUCK IT YOU POOR SCUM" pose. But maybe that's just, I'm brazilian, so I may be biased.
Argentina was actually awesome once, then Peron came. The rest was just kicking the body into a grave. Brazil had its own Peron in the form of Getúlio Vargas, but I think Brazil eventually left his shadow, whereas even today Argentina seems (at least for me) not to have left Peron's shadow, even today.
Brazil had right wing extremists? When? How? When did this "Right-wing extremism" happen? Gentulio was not right-wing extremist, Military Government was not right-wing extremist and there hans't been a right-wing government since 1985.
I wish we had some right-wing extremism, right fucking now, it would go just fine with a dose of vodka and fanta laranja. It would really hit the spot.