Do you think that Mr. House is /really/ that bad?

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by VivamusLupus, Jul 11, 2011.

  1. VivamusLupus

    VivamusLupus First time out of the vault

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    Jul 10, 2011
    I was talking about this with some friends because in all three of my playthroughs I ended up siding with Mr. House. They tell me he's an evil dictator and is a bad person. From my dialogue and research into him he really doesn't seem to be as bad as some potray him as. I just felt like he was trying to protect Vegas from people he doesn't want to take over the town he saved. I just wanted some opinions about it. Bye
     
  2. Mr Krepe

    Mr Krepe Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Mar 28, 2010
    ALL THREE PLAY-THROUGHS! Get some perspective, man. But, I see him as a control freak, but not a dictator, everything has to be his way, because he isn't exactly the leader of New Vegas, he's just a man who has a lot of money...in New Vegas.
     
  3. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I would not call him outright "evil" but he is simply desilusional. And as such he is rather dangerous then evil because in his mind he is not accepting any other opinion then his own.
     
  4. Lexx

    Lexx Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    Apr 24, 2005
    He is not "bad", he is just a capitalist. :>
     
  5. Sabirah

    Sabirah Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Jul 10, 2011
    He is the second best hope for the Mojave. (Indie Vegas is the best)
     
  6. Iabimyshkin

    Iabimyshkin First time out of the vault

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    Dec 20, 2010
    Mr. House is supporting a gross imbalance of power and wealth. He doesn't care about the great struggles of the people in the slums. He has put a velvet rope around a small area of Vegas and only lets in the people he knows he can milk for all their money.

    Hardly benevolent....
     
  7. Tagaziel

    Tagaziel Panzerkatze Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Dec 10, 2003
    "Delusional"? Just because he has a vision doesn't mean he's delusional. We're talking about a man who single-handedly prevented the nuclear holocaust in the Mojave, prepared for the upcoming wastelands with an army of heavily armed robots of his own making, reshaped the tribal Vegas into a modern, profitable settlement... In fact, I believe he is actually the single most capable leader in 2281, capable of making the necessary sacrifices to achieve his goals.
     
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  8. The Courier

    The Courier Blain is a pain.

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    Jul 9, 2011
    I don't see him as evil. He is'nt, just oppurtunistic and only caring about what he has set up. Honestly, even though I can't see the NCR staying honest and dependable,(hey...wait, they never where!) I think some kind of united government and protection is whats best for the mojave. as House only cares about vegas, Caesar's legion...yeah, and Yes-man I just get this whole Terminator feeling from, like one day he's going to slit your throat and go all skynet on the mojave wasteland. All together, none of them are trustworthy...but NCR is the most promising.
     
  9. Zag

    Zag First time out of the vault

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    Jul 6, 2011
    I agree with this. House knows the rules of economy and how to run the show financially. He's also a technical genius. His prowess over a financially structured Vegas strip is only the beginning. The Fallout universe operates with barter and trade. Knowing that no one does anything for free he has capitalized on these trade-offs. He knows just like the NCR knows that for any progress to be made money has to be involved. Funding progress.... Progress completed.

    If there's one man who can fix the wasteland... It's House for president 2284!
     
  10. Iabimyshkin

    Iabimyshkin First time out of the vault

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    Dec 20, 2010
    I don't think he is a good guy but he certainly is a remarkable one! I'd choose him over yes man anyway. I despise Yes man for ruining my dream (that existed from the time I first saw the New Vegas trailer) of controlling New Vegas myself. I don't get why that is a popular ending, Vegas is gonna be mine! All mine! Oh, what? I just got suckered by a robot? Lame.

    Er... anyway, Mr. House is a megalomaniac with a flawed vision. He could be an excellent ruler of New Vegas. Unfortunately it isn't gonna happen because i'm going to unlock him out of his cocoon and shoot him in the name of the republic soon! Second play through. I wanna do the Mr. House ending at some point, he is an intriguing guy that's for sure.
     
  11. Ilosar

    Ilosar Vault Fossil

    Apr 20, 2010
    I do not think he is evil, simply out of touch in that ivory tower of his and a terrible ruler in general. Apart from the Strip, New Vegas is a shithole, yet his priority is developping space flight? He has been here for 200 years, yet the very best he could do is muster some weak ass robots and three campy casinos? And if the explanation for that is a bug in his system, well that's yet another bag of worms, is it? How can we be sure a similar bug doesn't happen again? The man is completely dependant on his network working at peak condition to continue; in the event of a technical failure (true, happens much less in the Fallout-verse than in our own, but still possible), the ''great visionary'' can't do anything, or worse is reduced to a corpse waiting for the germs to kick in.

    Handling so much power to someone so fragile and so determined to leave everybody but himself and his ego in the dirt is simply not an option. I dislike the Legion and yet I would let them take power before House, hell House is the only faction I never supported in any playthrough.
     
  12. brfritos

    brfritos Humma Kavulaaaaaaa

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    Sep 8, 2009
    I think the main problem is this, the needed sacrifices. House roll-over anyone who doesn't play with him, but worst than that, he simply sacrifice others for his greater good, not for the greater good.
    Hell, NCR at least have the courtesy and politeness of asking if I want the job.

    I still think independence is the better way, there will be a lot of problems after, but no nation form itself in one day.
     
  13. Felspawn

    Felspawn It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Nov 15, 2010
    I honestly think the Yes-man ending is kind of a cope out, the option the devs gave you if you massacred everyone else and needed some way to finish the game.

    you should NEED to make a choice, there is no black and white, right or wrong answer. but to say, No screw it i'll take over instead and make it all better isnt the way to do it.
     
  14. Mr Krepe

    Mr Krepe Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Mar 28, 2010
    I personally think he was a very intelligent man, yet he is the only faction I haven't sided with yet, now i'm doing Yes Man. After all three playthroughs i've found yes-man to be the best choice, as i've already thought of a great plan which is better than House's plan for Vegas (IMO).

    But in reality, I find it hard to side with House, because he's a big control freak, with the money, and (securitron) power to be able to be the big control freak of Vegas.
     
  15. Wintermind

    Wintermind Vault Senior Citizen

    Jan 21, 2011
    He's not evil. None of the factions really are in NV.

    And no, Felspawn, Yes Man isn't a cop out. He serves a genuine choice for the future of Vegas. He may also function as a safety net to trigger the final quest. That's not a cop out.
     
  16. Korin

    Korin So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
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    Aug 6, 2010
    He's probably the best hope for bringing back technology to the civilized world. I wouldn't say he's 'evil' but he's certainly not a force working under philanthropy.
     
  17. Yamu

    Yamu Le Fromage Vieux oTO Moderator Orderite

    Jul 26, 2003
    The only difference between House and any other (political) faction in the game in this regard is that House is actually capable. He's got a unilateral intent and clarity of purpose lacking in the NCR, and he's not looking to take over the world like the legion. He just needs his own little corner, and he knows exactly how he's going to use it to drag humanity up by it's bootstraps.

    Yes, he's an autocrat, but he's actually pretty laissez-faire as far as autocrats go. It's a small consolation to anyone he sweeps before his agenda, I know, but it's not like the other major players aren't just as willing to do the same.
     
  18. Felspawn

    Felspawn It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Nov 15, 2010
    your certainly entitled to your option, its still the worst ending IMO, just there to, as you said, act as a safety net in the story. to make sure people can end the game. You make no tough calls in that game and i think that goes against what the story is trying to tell.
     
  19. ramessesjones

    ramessesjones It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Oct 27, 2010
    House isn't remotely evil. He works for his own agenda, but allows everyone else live their lives as well. He gives the people of Vegas some level of security while asking for basically nothing in the return, other than be allowed to run his businesses.

    Maintaining his power and eventually expanding his influence takes pretty much all the resources he has, if he overextended himself just a little NCR would obviously have no problem violating the treaty they signed with him and forcibly annex the area, against the will of the local people.
     
  20. LinkPain

    LinkPain Mildly Dipped

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    Jan 18, 2011
    But how is he a bad ruler compared to Caesar who had only luck on his side and an old book? Sure Caesar had an awesome thought which he materialized into a brilliant plan later. But other than that? He plans to rape the world, what's left of it anyway. I think his mind is whacked more.
    House did explain what the Courirer needed to know (the bombs, the network etc), still I don't think he is a "terrible ruler". The man created everything he wanted, he had put his mind to real work. And I agree with you that he is dependent on his network.

    I liked his ending actually, nothing changed except that NCR and Legion left . He kept Mojave functional as it is. But they should have patched his quest, no need to kill the Brotherhood when they are devastated as it is. And he knew nothing of Elijah so it did not make sense at all why the urge to kill them and not the Legion.