Enclave in FO3

Discussion in 'Fallout 3 Discussion' started by Public, Nov 3, 2008.

  1. Kindo

    Kindo Still Mildly Glowing

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    Jun 26, 2003
    So you agree that I'm not just missing some vital information, somehow? That it's the writers who figured no-one would ask any questions when dead characters suddenly come back to life, and no-one seems to care? Or that a war breaks out, but the player isn't given any reason as to why this happens? I'm... angry, I guess, but this is so outrageously stupid that I can't keep myself from hoping I'm just missing something important - or that my game is buggy. I mean, no game designers can be this moronic, right? :?
     
  2. k9wazere

    k9wazere It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Nov 20, 2008
    It's a flawed work of fiction.

    What else can I say? Don't spend too much time trying to justify it. It's flawed. Broken, even.

    After giving a speech about "chain of command is the most important thing", the very next thing Autumn does is countermand a presidential order.

    Yeah, the characters are all sufferng from some kind of ying-yang duality I think.

    You aren't missing anything that I can see, except that you might have missed Autumn's over-turning of Eden's "don't shoot the PC" order via the intercom system.

    Even that order makes absolutely no sense tho. He knew the PC was the only one with the activation code, and that's the whole reason he brings you in. But now it's OK to shoot you...

    Ying-yang duality. Only explanation I can think of. They're all psycopaths.
     
  3. Tom_Sawyer

    Tom_Sawyer First time out of the vault

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    May 25, 2007
    Its kinda sad in that as soon as I get released and got my gear I went berserk. I shot the guard who was in my face about who let you out and I am calling the president.

    Then I just stared shooting EVERYONE and no one shot back!! I mean I killed a guard and one standing near by just looked at me so I shot him too. Then a couple scientists.

    Then all of a sudden I hear over the intercom shoot him. At first I thought it was in response to my actions but then I realized it was just a scripted event set to go off no matter what.

    Very bad bad bad scripting. The second I even pointed my gun there should have been a siren going off and everyone trying to take me out.

    At least I got to shoot that traitor bitch in the head as she ran away crying "Well what you going to do about, shoot me? You had better leave." I got so tired of hearing that line....
     
  4. DexterMorgan

    DexterMorgan A Smooth-Skin

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    Aug 6, 2008
    You lose karma for doing that, don't you? I thought that was rather stupid.
     
  5. Kindo

    Kindo Still Mildly Glowing

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    Jun 26, 2003
    Oh! So the second order is from Autumn? You're right, that makes no sense at all - and why doesn't Eden just have Autumn killed and tell everyone that he violated a direct order from the PRESIDENT? Why do the Enclave troopers follow Autumn's order, when they have just received one from the PRESIDENT himself? Why does Autumn suddenly take control of the entire Enclave, and everyone is fine with disobeying their PRESIDENT? I... I... Come on, Bethesda! For Christ's sake... What are you doing? If you wanted to portray an uprising - a rebellion of the Enclave against the President, then at least put some god damn effort into your writing in order to make this plausible! At least have the player know the events in the game are intentional, instead of the case of horrible writing and buggy execution it appears to be now!

    I think I'm going to go insane. No game company that has worked with a game for so long, and that has had such a high budget at their disposal, can make a horrible mistake like this. They must have seen it themselves and figured by the time people start noticing, millions of games will have been sold already and all the reviews printed.
     
  6. k9wazere

    k9wazere It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Nov 20, 2008
    The truth is most of the target audience don't care.

    After the first few hours of gameplay, your expectations should have been closely aligned with reality.

    Honestly, if you got to Eden and were still expecting a clever, intelligent plot... you were only fooling yourself.

    Most people playing F3 will doubtless be kids, or adults who think that games are childish by nature, and are fine with that.
     
  7. Ausir

    Ausir Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Apr 20, 2003
    Autumn probably reveals to the rest of the Enclave that Eden is a computer.
     
  8. eddoctorwho

    eddoctorwho First time out of the vault

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    Nov 14, 2008
     
  9. k9wazere

    k9wazere It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Nov 20, 2008
    You think they could have survived all those years and not known?

    You think the guys in the base Eden is in never wondered why they don't see him in person? Not even on a monitor, or in a picture?

    Honestly, that's pretty unlikely. I'm guessing the should all have known exactly what Eden was.
     
  10. Tom_Sawyer

    Tom_Sawyer First time out of the vault

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    May 25, 2007
    Skyne errrr Eden should have gone bugshit nuts and just released an army of robots onto the capital wastelands forcing the remants of the enclave, the 2 factions of the brotherhood, and whom ever is left in the wasteland to band together for one massive final battle.

    Anything but I go to my radioactive death while my immune 10 foot tall pet Hulk just stands there and laughs ending
     
  11. Ausir

    Ausir Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Apr 20, 2003
    They should have, but they didn't. Only Autumn knew. And they could have seen a computer generated face of Eden on monitors, posters etc. And not just himself in person for "security reasons".
     
  12. Kindo

    Kindo Still Mildly Glowing

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    Jun 26, 2003
    I suppose, but why isn't the subject brushed upon in the game? Or did I miss some important dialogue or piece of text somewhere?

    Speaking of your followers being lifeless, by the way... That Fawkes just stands there as I am forced to enter the radiated chamber is definitely silly. Similarly in Vault 87, as Autumn captures you, and your follower (for me it was Charon) stands there next to me, observing as the Enclave is taking me prisoner. They don't see him, and he doesn't see them. Great thinking, Bethesda.
     
  13. Requete

    Requete First time out of the vault

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    Aug 9, 2006
    Eden told tou that Autumn has less radicall view on final solution on mutant/wastlanders problem... that he became soft... the man with awoken consience who shoot you the defencless prisoner in belly with cold blood after you gave him the code :roll: Which also makes all this vast Eden propagand effort from early game aimed at wining of heart and minds of wastlenders pointless... Enclave was secret in F2... maybe they were indeed afraid of mighty hunting riffles... WOW this game is realy hanging on tape and hope.
     
  14. Patton89

    Patton89 Vault Dweller

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    Nov 21, 2008
    My brain is actually hurting from trying to understand the storyline..it DOES NOT make any sense to me..and i enjoy reading complex texts..but..this..arrghhh...i think that it is better for the sake my sanity to not try and understand it. its badly written..and the fact is..i destroyed enclave already in Fallout 2. No need to have it in the next game that takes place on the other side of the country.

    Cant Beth write something original ? a communistic/facist dictatorship in DC that has the sole goal to expand and merge other settlements with itself to create new super power. maybe raiders could ALLY with other groups/settlements to fend them off in the ending or have the dictatorian state take over the east coast and end up in war with NCR when they move west, depending on the choices of the Player ? its rubbish, i know but it is at least something not borrowed almost directly from the previous ones.
     
  15. Kindo

    Kindo Still Mildly Glowing

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    Jun 26, 2003
    Has anyone found any information - somewhere - as to why both Autumn and Anna Holt survive the irradiated chamber? No-one ever mentions it in the game, as far as I can tell.
     
  16. Slaughter Manslaught

    Slaughter Manslaught Vault Senior Citizen

    Dec 11, 2006
    Autumn injected himself with a syringe of Deus Ex Machina, and Anna Holt - Didn't Autumn shot her? Don't ask me how she survived the radiation, I don't know.
     
  17. Kindo

    Kindo Still Mildly Glowing

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    Jun 26, 2003
    Yep, she was both shot and stuck in the 'deadly room of radiation and explosions.' Just like Autumn, however, she is wandering around Raven Rock later. Makes you wonder how they both survived, but my dear daddy didn't.
     
  18. Slaughter Manslaught

    Slaughter Manslaught Vault Senior Citizen

    Dec 11, 2006
    Yeah, but it's kinda weird. Autumn SOMEHOW came prepared with his syringe of anti-radiation Deus Ex machina, while Enclave troopers in ADVANCED POWER ARMOR (seriously, what is APA made of those days? I remember the days when Power Armor was really anti-rad, those were the days) and daddy died. Anna Holt has no excuse to be alive, plain and simple.

    Unless she's part of the theory I'm suspecting: How the Enclave knew about Project Purity? Maybe Anna Holt was a mole and sell-out and Autumn's bullet was a rubber round just to scare anyone? Maybe the Enclave also gave her some of that Deus Ex Machina super-anti-rad, too?

    Also, I hate how I can't blow that stupid glass and turn the Autumn and his goons into pasta. It's not like they were more of a threat than those I killed earlier. I know some scientific projects need resistant glass sometimes, but damned glass IS nuke-proof, too. I think they conducted the whole situation baddly. It would make much more sense to have a big shotout against Autumn and a horde of Enclave soldiers with dad in the middle, and then, during the battle, Autumn manages to fataly wound dad with a bullet, then flee with some soldiers while calling reinforcements. Or dad should've not "saved" you from two enclave soldiers and a 10mm packing Autumn, but instead, from a horde of angry Enclavers with Plasma Rifles coming at you from the other side. That would've made a lot more sense. Hell, I think almost anything almost anyone can invent would make more sense.
     
  19. Trithne

    Trithne Still Mildly Glowing

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    Nov 13, 2008
    It's pretty symptomatic of Beth as a whole: Railroad the player through a bunch of scenes from a B-movie and call it an RPG because it has stats and you can wander off in another direction. All their plot events, quite simply, suck. Hard.