Fallout 3 Point Lookout Reviews

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  1. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 3, 2003
    Plenty of reviews for Point Lookout have popped up, and the consensus seems to be this is one of the better DLCs. G4.<blockquote>Point Lookout has taken development lessons and fan criticism from Operation Anchorage, The Pitt and Broken Steel into account, successfully eliminating almost all of their problems, resulting in the Fallout 3 expansion we've all been waiting for. Point Lookout takes place away from the wastelands, but rather than dumping players into a small, contained new environment, Point Lookout is its own new zone. There's plenty to explore, with many new adventure triangles tugging at you in the corner of the screen. I'd tried to keep myself on the main quest path in order to finish Point Lookout as soon as possible, but failed more than a few times -- I just had to see what was hidden away.</blockquote>MTV Multiplayer.<blockquote>There’s a level of cleverness in the writing of the quests in “Point Lookout” that reminds of The Dark Brotherhood quests from “Oblivion.” A dark twinge with a definite sense of humor is present in all of them. For example, one has you taking soil samples from around the landscape to determine if the leftover bodies from the Civil War have made “Point Lookout” a viable oil drilling location.</blockquote>Big Download Blog.<blockquote>There's little reason to return to Point Lookout once all the quests are completed. With the exception of Operation Anchorage, previous expansions included collection trade-ins, like super mutant blood samples for the Brotherhood of Steel to study or parts toward building a new Liberty Prime in Broken Steel. In The Pitt, players won access to the steel refineries to convert scrap metal into ammunition. The most Point Lookout has to offer is a chance to distill moonshine for booze and profit. The problem with this system is that punga fruit is one of the main ingredients of moonshine, and you need a lot of it. Although they grow naturally in the wild, they don't seem to grow back - at least not in any amount of time we were willing to sit for. Plus, despite infiltrating the cult, we were never privy to the secrets of refined punga fruit harvesting, so there went our dreams of cornering the market. Over time, players will eventually exhaust all the fruit in the area, leaving little reason to return. Installing the add-on stocks punga fruit in the inventory of many of the traders across the Capitol Wasteland, but that simply underscores the point.</blockquote>VGChartz 8.3.<blockquote>Unlike in Broken Steel, the new weapons you can find in Point Lookout aren't very flashy. The Double-Barrel Shotgun is widely available at shops, hidden in containers, and dropped from enemies. It's got more power than the unique Terrible Shotgun, but fires two shells with each shot and has to be reloaded after every shot. It's pretty effective at taking out multiple weaker enemies in VATS, though you have to be careful - there's a bug where if you only have one shell remaining and try to fire the two-shell shot in VATS, the game will lock up on you. There's also a Lever-Action Rifle, which holds 10 rounds and is pretty accurate over long distance in VATS, but isn't particularly powerful. One quest reward will give you a unique version of this - the Backwater Rifle - with a bit more kick. There are also some new melee weapons - an axe, a shovel, and a couple knives, with unique versions of each that do even more damage. The unique axe, The Dismemberer, has a pretty quick attack rate and does about as much damage as the Lever-Action Rifle. The final new weapon is the Microwave Emitter, a damage-dealing version of the Mesmetron that does about as much damage as a shotgun but is pretty difficult to aim and use outside of VATS.</blockquote>Xbox 360 Achievements 9.<blockquote>Each expansion to Fallout 3 has been more expansive than the last. Operation Anchorage was pretty confined, The Pitt added a small-scale new city, Broken Steel offered reasonably open areas and a new level cap, and now Point Lookout trumps all three with an enormous, open area to traverse, adding about as much real estate to the game as the other three expansions combined. The swampy region of Point Lookout has a unique look that sets it apart from the DC wastelands, with forested marshes, deserted plains, and rugged cliffs being battered by ocean waves. With dozens of locations to discover, explorers could easily be traversing the wetlands for hours hunting everything down. Mutated wastelanders and feral ghouls roam this region, and players will have to stay sharp to survive, as Point Lookout is the most challenging of Fallout 3's additional quest lines. If you've ever complained about Fallout 3's expansions not being "big enough," Point Lookout surely won't disappoint.</blockquote>WorthPlaying 9.2.<blockquote>My personal favorite quest, "The Velvet Curtain," involved completing the mission of a long-dead Chinese spy. Even though my character showed up about a hundred years too late, I still felt like James Bond when I was tracking down a person whose molar contained submarine self-destruct codes or when I was using special glasses to discover a hidden bunker and uncover hidden equipment caches with items vital to my success. All of the side-quests are incredibly solid, and they give you incentive to stick around Point Lookout long after you've finished the work you came here to do. I'm still combing the map to look for new locations and rewards, as this place really is stuffed to the gills with adventure. </blockquote>Telegraph.<blockquote>Point Lookout also contains some nasty new adversaries in the form of inbred swampfolk, insane cult members and amphibious mire-lurks and swamplurkers. Admittedly, they are all re-skinned versions of other creatures in the Fallout 3 universe, but they suit the rustic swamp environment better than say, a team of super mutants would.

    Some of the new creatures are also far tougher than enemies that players may have faced up until now; the Feral Ghoul Reavers, in particular, are diabolically hard opponents. Players may have encountered them before in the Capital Wasteland, but in Point Lookout they seem more dangerous than ever. Not only can they reduce your health by half with three well-placed blows, they also hurl radioactive goop with uncanny accuracy which can cripple limbs at around 300 yards. They also have the ability to absorb damage as though they're made out of Teflon; most weapons may as well be peashooters for all the harm they do to these creatures (notable exceptions being the Gatling Laser, the Tesla Cannon and the Gauss Rifle). To top it all off, most Feral Ghoul Reavers hunt in packs, so you can be assured of doing a lot of running (and when that fails, dying) in most encounters with them. The swampfolk, also hunt in groups and in large numbers they can be quite deadly – they can also end up fighting among themselves on occasion which is useful if your health is running low. </blockquote>GameZone 8.5.<blockquote>However, even though the focus has shifted towards exploring, there are still some hardcore firefights to be had. There are some new low-tech weapons to be found in the mix are shovels, axes, and double-barreled shotguns. The battles are action-packed and implemented very well within the base game’s combat system.</blockquote>Mygamer.<blockquote>Unlike the other DLC, there are a couple features that really stick out besides the different type of environment to explore. First, this is one area that you are not going to want to explore unless you have purchased the Broken Steel DLC. If you are anything less than level 20, I highly suggest staying in Washington DC. Fighting insane inbreed hicks is a lot more difficult than it sounds as they are some of the game’s toughest enemies. I never thought I would get so much use out of my Tesla Cannon, the killer weapons to find during Broken Steel. Without this powerful gun, my time in the swamp would have been a lot harder. </blockquote>There's also a video review available from GameTrailers (thanks Alphadrop).
  2. lugaru

    lugaru Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Mar 9, 2009
    As an experiment the character I sent in is my level 5 melee expert. The locals are surprisingly tough so I can take them in one on one combat. I'm only like 20 minutes in so far and this is a first playthrough so I dont know what to expect, but I'm happy so far.

    One highlight was igniting a shotgun wielding hillbilly by bursing a bubble of swamp gas near him.
  3. Alphadrop

    Alphadrop A right proper chap.

    Aug 21, 2008
  4. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 3, 2003
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  5. NOPR

    NOPR First time out of the vault

    Jun 27, 2009
    What is Bethesda telling us with making ghouls and mutated folk the most powerful enemies ? Is that a joke I don't get ?

    Somehow it made sense with FEV-Mutants being a threat in old Fallout, as they were some sort of hulks and the FEV was designed to work almost like this. It made sense of wielders of powerful tech like Brotherhood or Enclave to be powerful too. The enemies were well designed.

    But now ? It feels like horror and action fans have taken over Bethesda or did they already use designers from id software or staff from the elder scrolls who wanted to feel back in Oblivion ?
  6. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    this kind of issue comes from the fact that Fallout 3 in its core works in many parst like Oblivion. Hence why armor gives you not the"protection" like in the previous games and where you have enemies with certain weakness and strength but in Fallout 3 you have just one "generic" armor value and it makes no different if you use a shoot gun to to asplode their head or just some old pipe to club the porridge out of their head. Of course Enclave troops are much weaker compared to point lockout cause all they did was to increase the health bar and armor protection for those "hillbilies" ...
  7. Ausir

    Ausir Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Apr 20, 2003
    Worse, each enemy in Point Lookout actually deals 35 extra unresistable damage to make the combat more challenging than the regular game.

    Also, creatures (which in in-game terms includes the hillbillies) don't even have any damage resistance. Only characters wearing armor do. So they just increase the health bar to ridiculous amounts.
  8. Alphadrop

    Alphadrop A right proper chap.

    Aug 21, 2008
    Actually the enemy doesen't deal the extra 35 damage it's the weapons when they are in npc hands.
    Found that out last night when I was tweaking the double barreled shotgun.

    Health things right though, a swampfolk has 1000 hitpoints compared to a ghouls 50.
  9. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 3, 2003
    That's what Ausir means. The Point Lookout weapons deal 36 unresistable damage when wielded by Point Lookout critters, but not for anyone else. It's really, really weak design when you think about it.

    As for...

    They have to scale up the level with every DLC. It's just necessary to do, since many will play them in order, and they're built for high-level characters regardless. Actual world logic retreats before the onslaught of DLCs, I guess.
  10. Alphadrop

    Alphadrop A right proper chap.

    Aug 21, 2008
    Yea I was just clarifying it to show how silly it is.
    Also it's any NPC that wields a PL weapon so better not give them to capital wastelanders. :P
  11. junkevil

    junkevil It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Jun 20, 2007
    i played through and beat point lookout and then started a new game and went through the operation anchorage dlc and then straight to point lookout. i haven't beaten the dlc completely yet, but the ghoul reavers don't exist and the enemies aren't as hard as they're supposed to be. i think level scaling is still enabled and if you aren't above level 20, some of the tough enemies don't come out. it's easier at a low level for me than it was at level 29 and 30. then again, i feel that OA breaks the game in a similar manner to how you broke fallout 2 by tagging outdoorsman and making a mad dash to san fran. you get power armor that never decays and the gauss rifle which i use to snipe people when i'm wearing my chinese stealth suit.

    i think a bunch of these reviews that urge players to be a high level before playing are wrong is all i'm really saying. mileage may vary i suppose though.
  12. Ausir

    Ausir Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Apr 20, 2003
    Yup, the equivalent of the GM cheating on the rolls.
  13. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    I never did such a thing.
  14. coyote_sprit

    coyote_sprit First time out of the vault

    Mar 16, 2009
    Damn Telegraph, an entire review of Point Lookout on a feature introduced in Broken Steel, excellent journalism...
  15. Edmond Dantès

    Edmond Dantès It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Jul 15, 2008
    So if a game doesn't offer endless continuance of some sort of repetitive action it's somehow a bad thing? God's, how have we arrived at this idiocy? Haven't checked back with Fallout 3 for a while, but is there really a market for all these DLC's?

    I mean, the main ingredient in Fallout 3 and all its DLC's is killing things and walking about. Sure, you can kill things in different ways, but after around 20-30 hours I can't for the love of God think how this can still be new or enjoyable. I guess a few good storylines and changing environments can give the repetitive actions you perform some sense of difference, but after a while that'd end as well. And once the repetitiveness kicks in, any game starts to feel like you're labouring away, 'having to finish' the next quest etc.

    I guess this element is apparent in a lot of games, Mass Effect had the hideous idea of 'planet exploring', The Witcher had it's MMORPG collecting elements, Assassin's Creed had it's own huge amount of repetitive nonsense. But it seems this is what people want in a game, a way to kill as much of their time with a useless repetitive action that'd be quite fit for a sweat-shop. Perhaps this comes from the artificial element of achievement offered by such game elements. Achievements in games and the MMORPG genre itself are prime examples of this. You 'achieve' something by absolute minimal effort, no thinking required, just treadmill work.

    And I'd guess developers are only all too eager to listen to such demands, a dozen achievements can easily 'lengthen' a game to another 100 hours. Just like Fallout 3 offers 'over 100 hours of gameplay'. If the terms 'game' and 'play' are lowered to such standards so they can count up to 100 hours, one might just as well call working in a factory gameplay. Over 1000 hours of deep and interesting paperclip-making! Optional quests for getting a pay-raise at the foreman! Wonderful and interesting environments to explore each day on the way to and from! What story will you choose?
  16. Black

    Black Vault Senior Citizen

    Jun 21, 2007
    Remember when NMA had good, interesting news?!
  17. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Apr 3, 2003
    Yes, I noticed.

    We don't make the news though. Can't be helped.
  18. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    It would be nice if we had some real news about a possible Wasteland game.
    I don't want to jinx it but I fear that any such news might turn out to be less welcome than we would like it to be.

    As for Fallout, I doubt we'll get any good news.
  19. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    well whats with Fallout New Vegas, I mean would it be ok to be at least "a bit" optimistic. We might get good news out of it at some point. Who knows ... (it cant be worse then Fallout 3 at least that for sure)