Fallout: New Vegas Canard PC first impressions

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by WorstUsernameEver, Oct 19, 2010.

  1. Flyn

    Flyn First time out of the vault

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    Oct 20, 2010
    Well, thank you.

    Don't worry, I wasn't mad, I knew it was a joke, but I felt I needed to explain why it could not be as good as it would have been from a native english speaker. I was curious to see what you (the forum, not you personally) would think about it.

    Sometimes it's good to be reminded that there is still room for improvement. :)
     
  2. Alphadrop

    Alphadrop A right proper chap.

    Aug 21, 2008
    Ah o.k, it's so hard to tell on forums.
     
  3. Anarchosyn

    Anarchosyn Still Mildly Glowing

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    Sep 26, 2008
    No, it's not a contradiction. Fallout 3 was given such high marks partially due to the era (the Bethesda Gamebroyo tropes weren't quite as dated in 2008 as they are now) and the fact it was the first Fallout in close to a decade, never mind the improvements made to the Oblivion formula through the addition of a larger ranged combat emphasis, better quest structure and VATs. The game blew by the standards of Black Isles or Troika but it was the newness and era which netted those reviews. Recreate the formula without significant superficial change two years later and one would expect diminished scores.


    I am curious as to why Fallout 3 people would dislike this game, however. At the worst it seems to be more of the same and worlds better than most of the DLC released for 3.
     
  4. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
    Admin Orderite

    Apr 3, 2003
    Your logic is sound. But you are wrong. Case in point:
    GTA III 93
    GTA VC 94

    Ergo.
     
  5. Axl

    Axl First time out of the vault

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    Oct 20, 2003
    so there's a chance I'll play a real Fallout game very soon.

    I'm happy
     
  6. Lexx

    Lexx Testament to the ghoul lifespan
    Moderator Modder

    Apr 24, 2005
    Even if one doesn't like or simply hate Fallout 3, I very much doubt that he would hate New Vegas more. It's really kind of a Fallout canon porno most of the time, with lots and lots of references to the old games. I bet most of the references and hints, the "new Fallout 3 folks" will not understand or even realize.
     
  7. Anarchosyn

    Anarchosyn Still Mildly Glowing

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    Sep 26, 2008
    It's hard to extrapolate off a single example, I'm sure others can be found to support the claim, but I believe GTA VC was considered more than a superficial reiteration of III. Right off the bat they introduced a new vehicle. I believe the pseudo-HDR and Miami vibe were also heralded as a nice change in all the reviews.

    'Course it was just a reiteration of GTA III but the key aspect of my model is the "superficial" element. I don't trust modern gamers or the gaming press to pay any real attention to changes under the hood. It's all about the glitz and gloss. Change that and you get noticed. Change just the writing or dialog depth and everybody screams "expansion pack."

    p.s. It's also worth highlighting that the turn around time between GTA III and VC was only a year and the GTA III engine was bleeding edge back then. Fallout NV took 2 years, as well I imagine you know, and the tech was considered kinda backwards to begin with (regarding animations, etc).

    At the end of the day I'm not surprised that NV is scoring less. I'd probably score it less myself, assuming I could stay objective long enough to pen the score (i.e. I'm a big Black Isles fanboy though I kinda wish they hired some of those Troika kids for the development of this, Tim Cain in particular).
     
  8. Innawerkz

    Innawerkz First time out of the vault

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    Feb 23, 2010
    No disagreement. To clarify my point it was simply that - of the reviews I've read (all 6 of them) - they write with enthusiasm about the game. Expound upon the quest/story design and - bugs aside - have next to nothing negative mentioned throughout and then hit it with a score that suggests there's more wrong with it than they say.

    I think the real problem is that Fallout 3 scored higher than it should have. However, therin lies the paradox: If FO3 scored a simple good and not Great!, we likely don't see New Vegas created which seems to be turning the series back in the right direction.
     
  9. Stanislao Moulinsky

    Stanislao Moulinsky Vault Fossil

    Jul 16, 2009
    And NV introduced factions and other stuff. Aw...come on!

    I'm...not so sure about that.
     
  10. Tagaziel

    Tagaziel Panzerkatze Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Dec 10, 2003
    I think you should have said "QED".
     
  11. el_jefe_of_ny

    el_jefe_of_ny Still Mildly Glowing

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    Jan 6, 2010
    Well. I enjoyed fallout 3. Yes it was the kiddie version of Fallout and yes Fallout 1 and 2 are much better games.

    The storyline fell through at the end of Fallout3, it got "epic" and all-american, which means f'king retarded. Obviously it was much more shallow than fallout 1 and 2 by like a factor of 20. However, FO3 was much better of a game than vast array of games I could purchased within the past couple of years. THe best parts of Fo3 were in the exploration and meeting of people aspects way out in the middle of nowhere.

    I have to say... why WHY WHY are people BUYING the big disk of the game vs. using Steam? Unless you have some cool limited edition stuff you are fiending for, I dont see the point!!

    I just bought the game 12 mins ago and I almost have the whole game.... I couldnt have driven and come back in sooner time.... also, being that it is on Steam, it is VALVE!! not xboxMicrsuxlive. I stopped playing the DLC stuff on Fo3 as the live thing sucked.
     
  12. sea

    sea Vault Senior Citizen

    Oct 5, 2009
    Plenty of reasons. Let me list some of them:

    1) Some people like having a physical copy, either for backup, putting on a shelf, a paper manual, the artwork, the new box smell, whatever. You don't get those with a digital copy.

    2) A lot of people don't have fast Internet connections. This is especially true in some parts of the United States, as well as the developing world.

    3) Going in hand with the above, lots of people have strict bandwidth caps that mean they can't go downloading multi-gigabyte files often without paying extra.

    4) In some regions of the world, digital prices are much more expensive than retail prices, even when exchange rates are taken into account. Seeing as how there are no distribution costs beyond bandwidth, it's difficult to justify the increased price over the US version of the game; some are put off by the prices, and others are simply ideologically opposed to this practice even if they are unaffected by it.

    5) For many, a store is faster, more convenient or enjoyable than downloading. Why spend a night downloading and installing when you can take a walk to the store and come back with the game in half an hour, or pick it up on the way from work?

    6) The physical retail space is awesome for impulse buying. Lots of people buy things because they see them on a shelf, even if the price is lower on Steam. Having the product in a customer's hands is just more compelling when trying to form an emotional bond, as marketers are wont to do.

    7) Although not applicable to New Vegas, a good number of people are opposed to Steam and other digital distribution systems, which are effectively copy protection with a shiny coat of paint and some nice features on top. Using Steam et al. is a compromise you make as a consumer; you're exchanging your right to use the game as you see fit with the terms of service provided by the DRM. I'm not too anal about DRM these days, but I know plenty who don't like it.

    8) Following from the above point, lots of people don't want Steam sitting as a monopoly in the digital distribution business. Having a single company with such a controlling influence is not necessarily a good thing, especially when the long-term security of Steam as a platform isn't even close to being guaranteed, and the industry itself is so young.

    That about answer your question?
     
  13. cccino

    cccino First time out of the vault

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    Jun 17, 2007
    To reiterate sea's points, 2/3 and especially 4 apply to me. The Australian dollar is currently on parity with the USD. The Australian Steam store sells FNV for $90... and charge in USD. As opposed to the US Steam store selling at $50 USD. I ordered the physical copy from the UK for $35 AUD. Sure it takes a couple of weeks to arrive but it would take me a week to download anyway, and I'm not vulnerable to regional price gouging.
     
  14. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
    Admin Orderite

    Apr 3, 2003
    You think wrong.

    VC was even quicker in turnaround than New Vegas, as you yourself point out. It was a very fast project to capitalize on a good engine from another angle. It is also brilliant.
     
  15. Black

    Black Vault Senior Citizen

    Jun 21, 2007
    Sup fatties, no crashes for me (on a geforce) throughout the entire game. Not one.
    Which is really surprising since it's on fo3's shitty engine and by Obsidian
    ;o
     
  16. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
    Admin Orderite

    Apr 3, 2003
    You know my game's been crashing like madballz since I updated my driver. It's a magical driver.
     
  17. MrBumble

    MrBumble Vault Fossil

    Jan 17, 2006
    Apparently, CanardPC gave New Vegas a 10 out of 10...

    Haven't read the article...I have been playing the game though and while it somewhat manages to feel like Fallout at times, and it's significantly better than Fallout 3 ( way better... ), 10 out of 10 is a bit of a stretch I'd say...