Fallout: New Vegas interviews

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by WorstUsernameEver, Sep 9, 2010.

  1. Expresate

    Expresate It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    May 14, 2010
    Well played, sir.

    I'm not sure which side you were taking(if any). I just know your post made me smile.
     
  2. Faceless Stranger

    Faceless Stranger Board Drifter

    Aug 19, 2010
    Caesar's Legion is the Fourth Reich! Heil Ceasar! Heil Caesar! :aiee: :aiee: :aiee: :aiee:...
    ... aherm...
    I mean, uh, good catch on that one.
     
  3. x'il

    x'il Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    980
    Mar 3, 2009
    Nice try, but nope. I never said they were nonsensical. I'm sure they're well explained within the game and i said it's irrelevant. I don't get why some people find it so hard to understand that this is a video game, which means visual imagery is at play here and is an important part of the atmosphere/setting of it, why some cannot understand that the fact that something might be well (believably) explained does not mean that it fits visually/aesthetically, or that it does not lack originality or taste.

    That was the point of my 'dinosaurs' post; it would take all but one minute and one paragraph text to reasonably explain the presence of fev-mutated dinosaurs or whatever else you might think up (mothership zeta anyone?... this roman crap is almost on the same level as that), yet, do they fit the game atmosphere/setting because of that? Again: if you don't see it you won't. :shrug:

    So no, no strawman there. This, however:

    is.

    I must've missed the roman-styled uniforms and apparel on those gizillion images of nazi soldiers... :roll:
     
  4. DocConrad

    DocConrad First time out of the vault

    93
    Jul 8, 2007
    You're just afraid of men in skirts. Gay basher.
     
  5. generalissimofurioso

    generalissimofurioso The Hole Time Orderite

    Jun 17, 2007
    Hmmm.

    I don't know what I want now.

    Romans or Nazis...

    Just don't give me Roman Nazis, we all saw how Mussolini turned out.
     
  6. LionXavier

    LionXavier It Wandered In From the Wastes

    109
    Dec 29, 2007
    And that's precisely what is stupid: the fact that they are emulating them. There would be no problem if they just shared with them their slavery tradition or their avidity of power; heck, there would be no problem even if they were still called Caesar's Legion. But from the moment that they are forcing themselves to adopt things that are not only settings un-fitting, but also unintuitive or counterproductive for them, like the latin usage and the leg-unprotected skirted armor, just for the sake of imitating Romans, they are in the way of reaching similar levels of stupidity we've already seen in people forcing themselves to drink blood for the sake of resembling vampires.

    Oh yes, now I remember... How could I possibly forget the huge marchs of Hitler's troops wearing those pretty bare-legged metal armors with leather-stripped skirts... oh, wait...

    That's precisely what's wrong, mind you, the Caesar's Legion is imitating the Roman Empire in just the shallowest possible way: its looks.
     
  7. B5C

    B5C It Wandered In From the Wastes

    139
    Sep 1, 2008
    Look folks. If you are are a leader with slavery organzation. You want to create an empire to expand your lands and wealth. The Roman empire is a logical choice to be influenced by. There was no other empire on Earth that had the wealth and power as the Romans.

    Heck many leaders did try to emulate it:

    Charlemagne


    Napoleon

    Hitler as mentioned above

    Mussolini
     
  8. x'il

    x'il Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    980
    Mar 3, 2009
    And did their troops uniforms/apparel was roman-styled? and did the nazi soldiers wore roman-styled leg-unprotected skirted armor during the invasion of Russia? and those it all fit the fallout atmosphere/setting? And did you even read the other posts in this thread before posting? :roll:
     
  9. Faceless Stranger

    Faceless Stranger Board Drifter

    Aug 19, 2010
    Guess the Legion is one of those things that is going to polarize the community again....
     
  10. RogueModron

    RogueModron First time out of the vault

    4
    Jul 25, 2008
    I was talking to Vault Maker about this, wondering where the CL concept comes from. He thinks it could be a Canticle for Leibowitz reference.

    Now I will have to reread Canticle to better understand the relationship...
     
  11. simdude

    simdude First time out of the vault

    57
    May 21, 2006
    Romans in this game IS goofy shit. Yet, no perk is needed to see them.

    Maybe there should also be a perk that changes the CL's clothes to something more wasteland-ish and less goofy-shitty.
     
  12. Khan FurSainty

    Khan FurSainty Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    332
    Apr 23, 2009
    Spoilers: The only way to defeat Caesar's Legion is by letting them expand to their fullest potential and then unite the Khans from the north-east to attack them.
     
  13. B5C

    B5C It Wandered In From the Wastes

    139
    Sep 1, 2008
    Germany didn't copy exactly. Yet Hitler did get a lot of ideas from the Roman Empire.

    The Nazi salute was based off the Roman salute.



    Nazi logos were based off Roman eagles and banners.

    Also Hitler's future Berlin.



    Also mimicking others is a normal response to those who want to bring back something they want. Also dressing up as Romans of the past gives the group identity.

    Heck Caesar's Legion is suppose to have Chariots.
    http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Caesar's_Legion

    I wonder if they going to use it in the game.
     
  14. Gaspard

    Gaspard Kasparov

    833
    May 7, 2009
    "Armored" skirts would be quite an OK get-up in a hot desert :roll:
     
  15. x'il

    x'il Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    980
    Mar 3, 2009
    :roll: :lol:

    Yet the uniforms/apparel from these slavers in the game is exactly roman-styled.

    Seriously? what has all that to do with anything? Here, i'll just quote my post again:

    And again:
     
  16. Nark

    Nark Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Dec 6, 2008
    [spoiler:52567724c1]It's a video game.[/spoiler:52567724c1]
     
  17. CoconutShell

    CoconutShell First time out of the vault

    72
    Aug 26, 2009
    If things like zombies, green ogres, an order of haughty knights in shiny armors and monks in robes, or outright fantasy (or "dinosaury" if you prefer) deathclaws could fit in Fallout 1, then I don't see why wasteland version of roman soldiers wouldn't.
    In fact, I think it's a great theme for a slaver organization. Post-apocalyptic world is characterized by a civilizational void, looking to redefine itself, looking for inspiration. There's probably dozens of insignifacant slaver and raider gangs. But if you want to build an empire, you need something more than they have. You need ideology and pride to cement it. Roman uniform isn't any less of an armor than a generic mad-max waslandish raider outfit. But it surely makes one wearing it part of something grand and it makes a statement: we're different/better.

    Except for helmets, Nazi soldiers didn't wear body armor at all, because they didn't need it or didn't have the technology for a bullet-stopping uniform. In the wasteland melee combat plays a significant role, so the armor is useful. Despite not wearing roman style outfits, they have incorporated a lot of roman symbolism. And it's a full-blown nation with their own culture we're speaking about, not some desert bandits in an uncivilised world. As for leg protection, I think that 1000 years of roman warfare speaks for itself.

    So, if I'm concerned, yes, it does fit Fallout.
     
  18. frosty_theaussie

    frosty_theaussie Still Mildly Glowing

    270
    Nov 22, 2003
    It's nice to see we're still able to discern NMA's two distinct parties.

    In that case, I have taken your side.
     
  19. SkuLL

    SkuLL Chad McRealman Orderite

    Sep 6, 2009
    Alls I know, if I was a hardcore raider and some guy told me "Alrite, we all wearing skirts from now on", I'd be like "Nah".

    But then again, if everyone was doing it... :look:
     
  20. alec

    alec White heterosexual male Orderite

    May 21, 2003
    That's not true. The British Empire was bigger and had more riches. The Mongol Empire was bigger and had more riches. And I think there's more.

    No matter how you put it, CL is a bad choice. It's Van Buren legacy and it didn't sound right back then and it doesn't sound right today.
    The "logic" I have seen used in this thread makes no sense: you could add whatever to the Fallout universe (ufo's, samurai, ...) and create some sort of logic to have it take place in that universe, but that still doesn't mean it would fit. It's very easy to create subplots and side characters and secondary events and somehow paste him to the whole, but if it doesn't fit it'll look like an ugly wart.

    We could have a city of talking raccoons as well, you know? To go with FO2's talking deathclaws. To raise the level of stupidity the series has already reached.

    The best comparison one can make is to compare FO to Scream, a nice pulpy nineties pomo flick that reinvented the slasher movies (just as FO reinvented the fantasy RPG). Then came Scream 2, which wasn't bad, but which was just going with the flow, following the hype and started to fail through exaggeration (FO2). Eventually we got Scream 3 which completely lost track of what the series was set out to do: redefine the horror slasher movie. The result was a movie riddled with the same old horror clichés Wes Craven wanted to avoid. We'll call this one Fallout Tactics, just to rap it up. Some people like the trilogy as a whole, some decide that the sequels are worse than the original.
    (We'll just forget POS ever happened, shall we?)
    Then some guys come along and they feel like making a quick buck. They've got a franchise that has proven its worth already, so they buy the rights and they make their own sequel. It's called Scary Movie. It's a spoof horror flick, mainly based on the Scream trilogy, but also incorporating stuff from a variety of other sources that really don't have anything to do with Scream at all. Some Scream fans love it because it gives them lolz, lots and lots of lolz, and because it does remind them of what Scream used to be, a goddamn good movie. The guys who bought the rights are glad to see their little enterprise paid off so they immediately start work on Scary Movie 2, but the Scream lore is pretty much all used up, so smart as they are, they now start to put in Exorcist references and talking cats and violent marihuana plants and other complete nonsense. And still some Scream fans will love it because it gives them lolz and some won't even know why some people hate it and think it's completely dumb, because they're too young to miss the Scream references because they usually have never seen Scream. And so on.

    In October 2011 Scary Movie 5 will be released.