Fallout 2 mod Fallout Sonora 1.15 and Sonora Dayglow 1.15 Vanilla Translation

[Cambragol]

Okay, going through these, focusing on the ones I didn't change or that need notes. Otherwise they are mostly in as per your suggestions.

{232}{}{Why keep ex-cons on lockdown?}
It's unusual to say "con" except in the phrase "ex-con". "convicts" or "criminals" might be better. Also "in custody" sounds better than "on lockdown" to me.

I changed this all to convicts, and simplified it. They shouldn't be ex-cons if they are still incarcerated.

{285}{}{Ah, there was a bit of a trade "hiccup". If you're not a fan of the prices, well, good luck finding another watering hole in this city. Spoiler alert: there ain't one.}
I'm not quite sure which line this is a response to, but the first sentence is awkward. "Ah, what's the hold up?" might work.

This one makes sense and is just referencing line 284.

FCBarTlk.msg:{223}{}{Here's some nuclear beer. Not fancy, but it'll keep the conversation flowing, right?}
Should "nuclear beer" be "Nuka Cola"?

This line is not included. Commented out of the script. But it was a beer.

"Pardon my ignorance" is odd—what is he apologizing for? Perhaps just drop this phrase, or "Pardon me for being forward,"

Maybe 'Pardon my ignorance, but I thought ladies shouldn't be wandering places like this without an escort.'

{223}{}{When I created this colony, I hoped to realize the New World idea. But visitors only care about caps. Dirty bastards, I'll enforce new laws and make them change!}
"I hoped to realize the New World idea" -> "I hoped to bring about a New World" (or "create").

This one is a bit odd to me, since I thought the "New World" was Church of the Fire thing... Does/did Kagan believe in that?

This might be a good spot to drop in a reference to the 'Rebirth' or at least Faber's. Maybe something like this:
{223}{}{When I created this colony, I hoped to bring about my own take on the 'Rebirth'. A New World, brought up by my own hands. But the colonists, and everyone who comes here, only care about caps. Stupid bastards, I'll enforce my laws and make them change!}


Okay the rest are in. All very good stuff. I mostly followed your suggestions, but in a few places smooth out some surrounding text too.
Thanks again for these fantastic reports, and keep it coming!

 

[malaise_chalk]

Maybe 'Pardon my ignorance, but I thought ladies shouldn't be wandering places like this without an escort.'

Nice.

This might be a good spot to drop in a reference to the 'Rebirth' or at least Faber's. Maybe something like this:
{223}{}{When I created this colony, I hoped to bring about my own take on the 'Rebirth'. A New World, brought up by my own hands. But the colonists, and everyone who comes here, only care about caps. Stupid bastards, I'll enforce my laws and make them change!}

I like it. (And of course, I meant "Faber" when I said "Kagan". My mind mixes up the two names since they are pretty similar in mouthfeel.)

 

[malaise_chalk]

Another chunk of Flagstaff reviews, including Madre and Mrs. Brandley.

Spoiler

FCCrvBos.msg

{213}{}{If your lookin' for business, we can't help you. We only work with the administration of this mine.}
"If your" -> "If you're"
"We only work with the administration of this mine. -> "We only work with the mine administration." maybe also drop "administration"

{226}{}{The largest city I know of. You'll find everything there that can be found in the Wasteland, but you need to be careful. The city is not safe, ever since the fire worshippers took over.}
"The city is not safe ever since the fire worshippers took over." (comma splice)

{229}{}{Strange folks. They worship pre-war atomic energy - that's all I understand. Too many words to take in. But they don't sit idle either - it was under their control that Phoenix became a real city.}
Maybe "Strange folks. They worship pre-war atomic energy - they use too many words to understand any more than that. But they aren't just talk - it was under their control that Phoenix became a real city."

{233}{}{Everyone who has good old nuclear-powered equipment. But the fire worshippers in Phoenix buy the uranium first and then sell it to smaller buyers at five times the price.}
"The fire worshippers in Phoenix buy uranium in bulk and sell it to smaller buyers for five times the price."

{235}{}{It does... if you eat it for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. This ore is slightly radioactive and harmless until it's in the reactor. Then it's better to stay as far away as possible.}
"This ore is slightly radioactive..." -> "This ore is only slightly radioactive..."

{241}{}{With your leaky pockets, you can't even hope for road dust.}
I'm not sure what this means

{258}{}{You're caravanners. Do you really care who you work for?}
{259}{}{Others cared who we worked for. Because of our connections with the fire worshippers and Faber's mercenaries, not everyone will want to deal with us. Our competitors were always jealous. Setting up new routes is going to be very difficult. If it's even possible.}
"Others cared who we worked for" -> "No, but others shut as hell/fuck do." (adding some emotion to the line, since thier business is ruined)
"Because of our connections with the fire worshippers and Faber's mercenaries, not everyone will want to deal with us" -> "Working with the fire worshippers and Faber's mercs didn't exactly make us popular, and our competitors were always envious of our position." (emotion here is envy more so than jealousy)

{260}{}{So you're not heading out at all?}
{261}{}{Exactly. Until the situation improves, we'll have to stay in Flagstaff. I don't know what we'll do yet, but we'll figure something out.}
"So you're not leaving?" or "So you're not going to try to set up a new deal elsewhere?"

{304}{}{Phoenix doesn't offer a warm welcome, just a short drop and a sudden stop. We're still figuring out our next move.}
"just a short drop and a sudden stop" I think might be referencing a noose based on another translation. Perhaps
"There's nothing for us in Phoenix except a noose dangling from a lamppost."

{335}{}{I had a few quesitons before we head out.}
"quesitons" -> "questions"


In general, I feel like the dialog for the caravan boss could use a few more clipped verbs if that's his style of speaking, perhaps:
{252}{}{You don't know what's been going on? The mine is out of business, and so are we.}
"You don't know what's been goin' on? The mine is out of business, and so are we.

{237}{}{Are you talking about Faber and his mercenaries? I don't care. Me and my people need work. And the colony provides jobs and stable income. That's enough for me.}
"Are you talkin' about Faber and his mercenaries?"

{250}{}{...I'm telling you, we're not going anywhere... Wait, you're not from the administration, are you? Then forget it.}
"...I'm tellin' you, we're not going anywhere..."

{400}{}{We're stopping here for a day. Feel free to explore, but remember, the caravan won't wait if you're late.}
"We're stoppin' here for a day."

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FCCrvMan.msg:{114}{}{Every trade trip could be your last.}
Perhaps "Every [trade] convoy could be your last." (or "journey")

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FCCtznB.msg (late night church defacer)

{212}{}{What's your take on the Cult of the Holy Fire?}
"What's your take on the Church of the Holy Fire?" since "cult" implies a negative take that the PC might not have. Also adds more impact to the response ("I never liked that cult.")

{215}{}{Yeah... if you bribe him with a bunch of caps and then listen to his idiotic ramblings. I can spout that nonsense about radiation, X-rays, and atoms for free. The whole Church of the Holy Fire is full of charlatans who only help for hefty donations.}
"I can spout that nonsense about " -> "I can spout nonsense about " or "I could spout that nonsense about " reads a bit better

{221}{}{If you offer me some incentive, I'll rid the city of the preacher.}
"If you offer me some incentive" is a tad stilted. I think the meaning here might be "If you can provide a good reason, I'll rid the city of the preacher.", since the response is about how the church condoned the attack on Villa. But I'm not certain.


{232}{}{Not if you pretend you sympathize with the cult now.}
"cult" -> "church" for similar reasons (could go either way on this one)
"Not if you pretend you sympathize with the cult now." -> "Not if you pretend you now sympathize with the cult."

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FCFarmA.msg

{219}{}{Because then I'd have to give them almost all of my harvest for ten years. Those are the conditions. But my farm can only feed a couple of people, no more.}
"Those are the conditions." -> "Those are the terms." (minor)

{315}{}{This land started to bear fruit only thanks to our sweat and blood! I put in too much work to give it to some thieves. They'll leave someday anyway.}
"I put in too much work to give it to some thieves." -> "I put in too much work to lose it to some thieves." (minor)
"They'll leave someday anyway." -> "They'll leave some day anyway." (which is a bit odd to me… he's just planning on waiting them out?

{317}{}{(confused) Morrison... Never mind. This sign is probably a hundred years old. Now *I* own this land!})
"This sign" -> "That sign" (minor)

{319}{}{They lived here before us. Savages, that is. They didn't adapt to the new life, but they learned to rob. The garrison guards brought out almost everyone, but this gang turned out to be too tenacious.}
"The garrison guards brought out almost everyone". "brought out" doesn't quite parse. Perhaps "drove out" or "took out"

{320}{}{You didn't mention that.}
{321}{}{Why? Listen, they are simple raiders. They come and take what doesn't belong to them. Nothing else matters.}
"Why?" -> "Why would I?"


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FCFarmB.msg

{203}{}{[Defend]}
Perhaps "[Defend]" -> "[Defend yourself]"

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FCMadre.msg Madre in the pen

{105}{}{Your madre has died. You need to find other members of the Villa.}
"You need to find other members of the Villa." -> "You need to find other members of your tribe." (at least, remove "the")

{217}{}{Nothing special, don't worry. Mostly, I did the same household chores as in the Villa. Only more and harder. These colonists are so... grim. The men were made to work in the mine. They've really had it tough.}
"the Villa" -> "Villa"
Perhaps "Only more and harder." -> "Only more, and they were much harder."

{225}{}{Faber has released all of you. It's time to return to the Villa.}
"the Villa" -> "Villa"

{227}{}{I'll see you back at the Villa, madre.}
"the Villa" -> "Villa"

{239}{}{The only ones who might be able to help are the Rangers. Their base is south of the Villa, on the Colorado River. But don't rush to beg them for help. The Rangers don't offer their protection for free.}
"the Villa" -> "Villa"

Hmm, taking a more expansive look, there are dozens of references to "the Villa". It seems like most of the references in the script omit "the", treating "Villa" akin to a city name, but there are many of "The Villa" too, mostly (but not merely) among Villa residents (would might naturally be saying "the village" in spanish). I don't have a strong opinion here, but might need a bit of thought.


{200}{}{? How did you... For heaven's sake, you shouldn't have taken such a risk! We would have found a way back to Villa... But of course, I'm so happy to see you. How proud your padre would be to know of the determination by his child! You've done well.}
"How proud your padre would be to know of the determination by his child" -> "How proud your padre would be to know of his child's determination!" or more pithily "Your padre would be proud of the grit you have shown."


{212}{}{So happy to see you.}
Seems pretty causal for the circumstances. perhaps "I'm so happy to see you!"


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FCMer.msg Mercenary from Villa, also while he's your companion

{231}{}{Ah, the wasteland has finally taken its toll on you. Spare me the unnecessary bruises on my fists - vanish!}
"Vanish!" seems too formal for the merc. maybe "Scram!"

{300}{}{Answer some pointless questions.}
Why would the PC consider the questions be pointless if he's asking them? This is the route into "companion" questions like "what weapons are you skilled with?", so it's a bit perplexing. Initially I thought it was just 4th-wall breaking cheekiness, but the rest of the script doesn't really match that tone.

{244}{}{It's time we parted ways. You're free to go.}
Minor, but this read to me like it's possible that he's stop being your companion permanently if you choose this option. Perhaps "It's time we parted ways. Wait for me here."

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FCMinBrk.msg

{228}{}{Good point. They say that before creating the colony, Faber brought in some guys who repaired and setup the equipment. Only after that did he bring people here and start production. None of the locals could have done this.}
"setup" -> "set up"

{257}{}{What? Are you serious? You'd kill a man for a handful of prisoners? Even the mercenaries in the garrison aren't that bloodthirsty. And a worse tyrant would probably take Lash's place. Any way, don't involve me in this. I have nothing to do with it!}
"Any way" -> "Anyway"

{253}{}{I don't know why I'm telling you this, but Lash forces him to rewrite reports, claiming the imprisoned workers were caught in a landslide or injured themselves. He doesn't want to tarnish his reputation. But he also keeps the administrator under his thumb.}
Perhaps "rewrite reports" -> "fabricate reports" and drop "imprisoned"

Suggested rewrite: "I don't know why I'm telling you this, but Lash also keeps the administrator under his thumb. Lash forces him to fabricate reports that claim workers are caught in landslides or were injured in accidents. He doesn't want the full extent of his brutality to be known."

FCMinGrd.msg

{205}{}{Silence! What are you doing, you piece of shit? Want to be sent to hard labor? I'll make you die on your feet! You'll eat dirt and drink your own urine! Is that clear?}
"I'll make you die on your feet!" (?) -> "I'll strike you down where you stand!"

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FCPost Anne Brandley

{200}{}{(you see a woman in an unusually decent outfit; she seems to take care of herself and looks down on those around her)}
"looks down" -> "look down" for conjugation. Honestly, this seems like a little much. "she seems to take care of herself" is redundant with knowing she's spiffily dressed.
suggestion: "(you see a smartly dressed woman with a supercilious air)"

{205}{}{(looks disdainfully) Hmm. Good afternoon. Where were you taught to talk to ladies like that? In a corn field?}
"looks disdainfully" -> "looks/glances at you disdainfully"

{212}{}{Let's go back to the beginning of the conversation.}
This is part of the control flow when answering questions about herself or Sonora Express. It feels a bit too clunky. Maybe "There's something else I want to ask you about."

{218}{}{Thanks for the rescue! It was a dangerous situation. In gratitude, I'm gonna give you a big discount if our transportation services are needed.}
"gonna" seems too colloquial for Mrs. Brandley. "In gratitude, I'll give you a big discount on our transportation services, should you ever need them."

{227}{}{(stumbling over every word, she draws up the contract and writes your name in the journal) Thank you for choosing our company. The package will be waiting at its destination.}
"Thank you for choosing (The) Sonora Express." reads a bit better to me.

{288}{}{Children? I can't believe it! Residents have always valued Flagstaff for its safety, with the garrison nearby and the impassable wall of barricades. And yet, the thieves were inside, not outside. And children too!}
"Residents have always valued Flagstaff for its safety, with the garrison nearby and the impassable wall of barricades" -> "People live in Flagstaff because it is safe from outside threats." or "... because it's one of the safest places in the wasteland."

{303}{}{We deliver small packages, transfers, and letters. For larger shipments, there's another company that works with the uranium mine.}
Perhaps "Larger shipments, like uranium from the mine, is usually instead transported by dedicated caravans."

{310}{}{Previously, along the route, there were only wolves and occasional tribes; the highwaymen had nothing to raid. Now, Flagstaff attracts people and caravans looking to earn money.}
Perhaps "There used to be nothing to raid on the route aside from the odd tribal. Now, ..."

{325}{}{It's a large but stifling city where competition prevents business to expand. There, I lacked freedom, and security.}
Perhaps "It's a large city but my business was stifled by cutthroat competition. There, I lacked freedom and security."
(This line is a bit odd since there is a branch of Sonora Express in Phoenix... were they competitors?)

{331}{}{Well, they grew out of a gang of slave traders a long while back. Now, they're like a small army, protecting the city, with their own 'general' and all, like in those pre-war stories. However, you probably haven't read much.}
"However, you probably haven't read much." -> "Not that I would expect *you* to have read them." (fits in with her snobbery)

 

[Cambragol]

Okay, diving into these:

{241}{}{With your leaky pockets, you can't even hope for road dust.}
I'm not sure what this means

This is one of those cases where the writing is trying to incorporate a apocalyptic vernacular (or it is Russian...). 'Road dust' is used elsewhere by caravan drivers etc. Here the caravan driver is reacting to the player offer 30 caps for info, then discovering he doesn't even have 30 caps. Changed it to :
{241}{}{With leaky pockets like yours, you'll get nothin' but road dust.} - maybe slightly better. It's either that or switch it completely to some kind of modern/90s rejection

{260}{}{So you're not heading out at all?}
{261}{}{Exactly. Until the situation improves, we'll have to stay in Flagstaff. I don't know what we'll do yet, but we'll figure something out.}
"So you're not leaving?" or "So you're not going to try to set up a new deal elsewhere?"

I don't mind this. Heading out seems more natural than 'leaving', especially when it is a caravan.

just a short drop and a sudden stop.

That is what it is referencing. Pretty standard reference. Old west lingo.

{105}{}{Your madre has died. You need to find other members of the Villa.}
"You need to find other members of the Villa." -> "You need to find other members of your tribe." (at least, remove "the")

It should definitely be 'member of the Villa' - they are a village not a tribe. I took some pains to shift the usage towards villagers, rather than tribespeople. As for Villa or 'the Villa', I have used both somewhat interchangeably - for now. I think there can be room for, er... a lack of standardization. Fallout 1 is *full* of that.

Hmm, taking a more expansive look, there are dozens of references to "the Villa". It seems like most of the references in the script omit "the", treating "Villa" akin to a city name, but there are many of "The Villa" too, mostly (but not merely) among Villa residents (would might naturally be saying "the village" in spanish). I don't have a strong opinion here, but might need a bit of thought.

Yes, I did think on this and opted for keeping the dual usage. As mentioned, I think there is room for this duality. For some things at least.

{300}{}{Answer some pointless questions.}
Why would the PC consider the questions be pointless if he's asking them? This is the route into "companion" questions like "what weapons are you skilled with?", so it's a bit perplexing. Initially I thought it was just 4th-wall breaking cheekiness, but the rest of the script doesn't really match that tone.

I remember this seemed odd. I changed it to:
{300}{}{I've got some questions.}
simple.

{244}{}{It's time we parted ways. You're free to go.}
Minor, but this read to me like it's possible that he's stop being your companion permanently if you choose this option. Perhaps "It's time we parted ways. Wait for me here."

Maybe, but he responds with:
{245}{}{That's it? Damn, I expected more. If you need me again, I'll be here waiting.}
Which reassures the player he can always re 'equip' him.

"I'll make you die on your feet!" (?)

Switched this to "I'll make your life a living hell"

{212}{}{Let's go back to the beginning of the conversation.}
This is part of the control flow when answering questions about herself or Sonora Express. It feels a bit too clunky. Maybe "There's something else I want to ask you about."

There were a looooot of cases like this. I tried to smooth most of them over.

{218}{}{Thanks for the rescue! It was a dangerous situation. In gratitude, I'm gonna give you a big discount if our transportation services are needed.}
"gonna" seems too colloquial for Mrs. Brandley. "In gratitude, I'll give you a big discount on our transportation services, should you ever need them."

Of note, I tried for a chunk of time to get the parcel service working in game. There was left over code, but it just didn't worked. It seems like it could be possible, but there may be some technical hurdles.

All good stuff. Aside from those noted above, the others are all, with very little tweaks. Awesome as usual! Thank you!

 

[malaise_chalk]

I don't mind this. Heading out seems more natural than 'leaving', especially when it is a caravan.

Yeah, this one seemed odd to me since the caravan has no destination/route with no current customer or even prospects. I agree it's not critical to change.

{245}{}{That's it? Damn, I expected more. If you need me again, I'll be here waiting.}
Which reassures the player he can always re 'equip' him.

Fair.

That is what it is referencing. Pretty standard reference. Old west lingo.

Now that I'm familiar with the idiom, I completely agree. It's my natural assumption that awkward phrasing or odd idioms come from the original text, but that's not always the case!

Yes, I did think on this and opted for keeping the dual usage. As mentioned, I think there is room for this duality. For some things at least.

Agreed. It might be cool to have "the Villa" used more by residents and/or native spanish speakers who might naturally say "the village", and others naturally treat it more like a place name. But it's fine as it is.

Aside: the narration in the opening cinematic "Then life in Villa is about to change" pronounces "Villa" in an extremely anglo fashion (VILL-A instead of the more spanish VEEYA). I was curious if this was intentional or a side effect of the production process.

 

[malaise_chalk]

FInishing off Flagstaff. As always, there are very few typos or much to quibble with.

I think it'll take me quite a while to get through the whole game (I also haven't played through the whole thing either). Are there any areas you think could use attention more than others?

Spoiler

FCRadKid.msg:{116}{}{The situation has commenced.}
Perhaps unused based on the roughness of the line, but flagging it case it is used.

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FCRanger.msg Ranger in the ruins

{205}{}{(swiftly aims the gun at you)}
Maybe "(swiftly (and expertly) draws his gun)"

{216}{}{Shoot? Me? Torment?}
I don't remember this line, but "Torment?" is confusing.


{220}{}{I'm just a wanderer, scavenging for useful junk in these ruins.}
{221}{}{Not convincing. You're either here against your will or working for the mercenaries from the garrison.}
"Not convincing." -> "I'm not convinced." or "You're not particularly convincing."

{240}{}{Should've paid more attention during trap training I guess.}
If the idea is to be a bit snarky, perhaps "trap training" -> "Traps 101" or "trap school". If it is to play it straight, "trap training" -> "survival training" or just "training" (since "trap training" feels stilted and unreal)

{243}{}{Hold on, hold on! I really am here for something else.}
"I'm really here for something else." (current line sounds like the emphasis is on "am")

{261}{}{That's right. Faber's got a nagging conscience, knowing there's a higher justice out there. Well, your demise will serve as a little reminder for him...}
I don't 100% understand the gist of this, but perhaps something like:
"That's right. Faber is haunted by the feeling that there is a higher law judging his actions. Well, your demise will serve to soothe his conscience..."


{268}{}{My kin are locked up in the garrison's pen. I need to set them free.}
{269}{}{So that's what's driving you into the hunt? (start to lower weapon) Fits right in with Faber's style.}
"start" -> "starts"
{281}{}{Enslaved too, huh? Faber's thugs are getting bolder by the day. Used to be they only forced criminals into labor, now they're snatching up innocent folk.}
Perhaps "Enslaved too, huh?" -> "Were they enslaved too?"


{310}{}{Show me your traps, or I'm gonna leave here a cripple.}
"Show where you've placed your traps. I don't want to leave here a cripple."
{311}{}{Only fools or traitors would ask such a thing. My survival depends on these secrets.}
"My survival depends on these secrets" -> "My survival depends on keeping those secret."
{312}{}{I see. Then my fate rests on your secrets. Goodbye.}
"Then my fate rests on your secrets." -> "Then my death rests on your conscience." (perhaps? Couldn't quite get the gist.)

{316}{}{Worried about a spy from town, are you? Obviously not me.}
"You need a spy in town, don't you?" (got the gist from another translation)

{456}{}{Your base is underwater. Don't you think you should be helping your people?}
"underwater" -> "under water" or "flooded"

{474}{}{If vengence is all you can think of, I won't be able to sway you. Keep fighting then.}
{476}{}{I guess I am a little too bent on vengence. The general did warn me about this... Alright. I'm leaving Flagstaff and heading back to base. Thanks, friend.}
{1476}{}{I guess I am a little too bent on vengence. The general did warn me about this... Alright. I'm leaving Flagstaff and heading back to base. Thanks, ma'am.}
"vengence" -> "vengeance"

Also, there are quite a few clipped articles in this dialog that feel like remnants from the russian translation. They aren't wrong, but I think it would be more natural to include articles more often in English. These are all the PC so it isn't just the ranger's style of speaking.

{222}{}{Can't exactly ask the garrison for food. We have to scavenge in the ruins.}
"I can't..." or "We can't..."
{234}{}{Trying to catch children with those? Might work on them, but I'm an experienced trapper.}
"Are you trying..." "It might..."
{260}{}{Bounty hunter. Word is there's a hefty price on your head.}
"A bounty hunter..."

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FCSavage.msg:{102}{}{The savage does not understand your language. And besides, he is clearly not happy with you.}
"The savage does not understand your language. It also looks like he wouldn't talk to you if he did." or "And it looks like he wouldn't talk to you if he did."
(A bit of Fallout 1 description personality, perhaps)

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FCSlvA.msg (Master beating his slave)

{116}{}{Looks like the jailers overcharged for you, you lump of dirt.}
Perhaps "Buying you was a rip off, you lump of dirt."

{114}{}{I don't even want to dirty my shoes kicking you.}
...
{117}{}{*Nudges the servant with his foot*}
"*Kicks the servant*" or "*Kicks the servant, dirtying his shoes*" for a laugh

{200}{}{(You see a thin man angrily hitting and kicking a constantly apologizing servant.)}
"constantly apologizing servant" -> "groveling servant"

{206}{}{A beaten and exhausted servant just makes you look bad.}
Perhaps "A beaten and exhausted servant just makes his master look foolish/bad/irresponsible."

{208}{}{Hmm, you might have a point. Fine, I'll be lenient today. But only today.}
Perhaps "But only for today." or "But only for one day."

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FCSlvB.msg The Slave
{211}{}{You're free.}
This seems to be the end of all conversations with him. It doesn't really make sense since the slave isn't freed—at best he has a reprieve from being beaten for one day. Any chance this is supposed to be something like "You can go."?

This quest also seems slightly buggy. It doesn't seem to matter how I resolve the conversation with the slave master, even "You're right, it's none of my business." All paths lead to the master walking away, and the slave thanking me when I talk to him.

{223}{}{A cap is a lot, senor. You can buy half an iguana for a cap. But... (he glances up at you briefly before looking down again) Yes, it's a small amount, sir. My owner was angry because of debts and the city's unrest.}
{1223}{}{A cap is a lot, ma'am. You can buy half an iguana for a cap. But... (he glances up at you briefly before looking down again) Yes, it's a small amount, ma'am. My owner was angry because of debts and the city's unrest.}
Perhaps "My owner was angry because of he owes a lot of money, and the city's restless." (not 100% certain of the intent here)

{233}{}{Escape? That's impossible, mi senor. There are guards all over the city, sirens would blare, and prisoners wear collars. But you can negotiate with the colony's warden. He's looking for people for special work.}
{1233}{}{Escape? That's impossible, mi senora. There are guards all over the city, sirens would blare, and prisoners wear collars. But you can negotiate with the colony's warden. He's looking for people for special work.}
This slave seems to be strangely sure about being able to negotiate, and that Faber would be willing to free slaves in return for a favour. Maybe:
"But you can negotiate with the colony's warden. He's looking for people for special work" -> "But maybe you can work something out with the colony's warden."

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FCSlvGrd.msg:{113}{}{Our colony is open to everyone... You know what I mean.}
Perhaps meant to be "Our colony is open to everyone... if you know what I mean." (implying that they'd enslaved anyone, I suppose?). Or "... if you catch my drift."

{123}{}{This isn't a hangout, go loiter somewhere else.}
Maybe "This isn't a place to hang out"

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FCSlvKnf.msg:{214}{}{Weakling. I should hand you over to the overseer. Now that would be fuh.}
"fuh" -> "fun"

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FCSlvScn Smart Guy

{214}{}{You're being difficult, bespectacled guy. Tell me the frequency, now!}
Maybe "bespectacled guy" -> "four-eyes"

{257}{}{Fine, live for now. I shouldn't have trusted the first person I met.}
Perhaps "Fine, live for now" -> "Fine, you can live for now"

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FCTom.msg Tom

{225}{}{Come on, tell me your story, I won't tell anyone.}
{226}{}{The thing is, I'd just rather not.}
{228}{}{Looks like you've been through hell, keeping your mouth shut like that.}
Maybe "Looks like you've had a hard time keeping your mouth shut." I'm not exactly sure what the gist is here. Perhaps something more like "Looks like you're itching to tell your story."?

{233}{}{Then why is your place such a mess?}
{234}{}{You mean the writing on the walls? Local punks don't know how to blow off steam. They've made me their target. They know I'm not looking for trouble.}
"the writing on the walls" -> "the graffiti on the walls" (otherwise, it sounds like the expression)

{249}{}{You're just a weakling, Tom. Take it.}
"Take it." -> "Face it." or "Accept it."

{250}{}{Do you know where I can get scraps or parts to repair the robot in the mine?}
"scraps or parts" -> scrap parts"
(Also, isn't it more a "machine" than a "robot"?)

{265}{}{I'll pay you 10 caps if you tell me who did it.}
{266}{}{10 caps can loosen some lips. Do you have them?}
Maybe "10 caps could loosen my lips. Do you have enough?" or "10 caps is enough to loosen anyone's lips. ..."

----

FCTraper.msg Camp Winon Trapper

{221}{}{Isn't it obvious? They wanted our loot and to show who's boss. This tribe has a grudge against us.}
"to show who's boss" -> "to show us who's boss"

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FCVillA.msg Sancho

{211}{}{It was a stupid plan. We tried to dig a tunnel out to the wasteland and escape, but we needed explosives. We messed it up, and collapsed the tunnel behind us.}
Perhaps "We tried to dig a tunnel out to the wasteland and escape, and we stole the needed explosives. We must've placed them wrong — the explosion collapsed the tunnel behind us."

{215}{}{To shovel that damn ore! It's cleaned and taken to another city, supposedly for energy. At the Villa, we use wood and oil. How do you burn stones? We're probably being fooled.}
"At the Villa, we use wood and oil" -> "At the Villa, we use wood and oil for fuel." ties in a little better to "burn stones" in the next sentence

{222}{}{Thanks for the help! We'll find our way. It's easier to evade mercenaries in a small group. You focus on saving the rest of the Villa's residents. We'd help, but after what we've been through, we're not much use. Good luck.}
"We'd help, but after what we've been through, we're not much use." -> "We won't be of much help after what we've been through."

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FCVillB.msg Hugo

{204}{}{It's all Sancho's fault! He came up with the dumb idea to use explosives. Neither of us knew how to handle it, but he decided to try anyway. Ask him! Sancho's the 'boss' here.}
"Neither of us knew how to handle it" -> "Neither of us knows how to handle them" or "Neither of us knows the first thing about placing mining charges"

{226}{}{Sancho is talking nonsense. The explosion will only add more work for the slaves.}
{228}{}{But the enterprise will continue finding and using slaves. Our escape won't change anything. Don't you get it? Think about it. We need to go. Good luck.}
Perhaps "But the enterprise will continue finding and using slaves." -> "As long as the mine needs manpower, the cycle of slavery will continue."

----

FSTotems.msg:{111}{}{The totem burns in flames, instilling fear in the savages for their angry deity.}
Perhaps "The totem erupts in flames, filling every savage's heart with fear/dread of their wrathful god."

 

[Cambragol]

Aside: the narration in the opening cinematic "Then life in Villa is about to change" pronounces "Villa" in an extremely anglo fashion (VILL-A instead of the more spanish VEEYA). I was curious if this was intentional or a side effect of the production process.

Ha, I would never have thought to pronounce Villa like that.

Are there any areas you think could use attention more than others?

I thought the Ranger areas were a little spotty. Maybe around El Faro Pier as well. Whatever you can manage is great. Every pass just makes things better.

I think it is possible to also approach things 'editorially' for the full English release, meaning we could do larger changes to improve writing/remove translated feelings.

I will get onto your next feedback asap.

 

[malaise_chalk]

Ha, I would never have thought to pronounce Villa like that.

. It jumped out at me as non-spanish speaker (albeit, I live somewhere with lots of spanish speakers so it's common to have a familiarization with the pronunciation).

I thought the Ranger areas were a little spotty. Maybe around El Faro Pier as well. Whatever you can manage is great. Every pass just makes things better.

I think it is possible to also approach things 'editorially' for the full English release, meaning we could do larger changes to improve writing/remove translated feelings.

Got it! I haven't made it to the Pier yet but I can target the Rangers next.

Re: editorially: I agree. This pass I'm mostly trying to catch mistranslations which change the meaning (of which there aren't many, but are still present), non-native sounding language (usually a couple lines per script), typos (rare but a few remain), and some of the "translation feeling" (usually sentences broken up into lots of awkward phrases). There's a whole other level of editing possible of making the dialog really "sing" and giving each character a unique voice. You've done a good job with this here and there, but it's a formidable task to do this for all characters. I also don't get the sense that the original text was consistently up to this quality, so it would be really taking it above and beyond the original. (Another reason I haven't tried to dig in to that level is that I'm only a passable writer, making it easier for me to fix up poor language than take average language to "brilliant").

I will get onto your next feedback asap.

Thanks! No rush at all—I know I'm dumping a lot of feedback on ya.

 

[malaise_chalk]

{250}{}{Do you know where I can get scraps or parts to repair the robot in the mine?}
"scraps or parts" -> scrap parts"
(Also, isn't it more a "machine" than a "robot"?)

(from FCTom.msg)

I realize now there's more to this than just the mine administrator quest to repair the machine. When you return to Villa, the repair of the machine triggers the resolution of the Villa–Flagstaff tensions on the theory that the mine labour is now "automated". (At least, I think it's the same machine/robot. It might have been a bug.)

If that's how it's suppose to work, some cleanup of the this quest line might be needed to clarify that significant labour will be saved. It's also a little awkward that I think many players will have already repaired the machine when faced with the Flagstaff/Villa tension quest, which feels anticlimactic since you don't even need to travel to Flagstaff to talk to anyone to achieve peaceful relations between the cities.


VCOld.msg:{453}{}{I want to report that the Flagstaff mines are no longer a problem. They're using a robot now and cutting down on the number of slaves.}

In general the Villa elder meetings felt a bit buggy. I was sometimes the only one in the room despite it intending to be a meeting of multiple elders.

While I was copying one note in here, I got carried away and reviewed the rest of the council meetings. This is a place that might be worth trying to make richer since it's such a cornerstone to the plot and to the player's motivation. For instance, having more outcomes to the vote than just "won overwhelmingly" and "less than half" (even just adding "barely won") would be very nice in the future, given how many variables seemingly feed into the outcome. There could also be consequences of leaving some quests unfinished. For instance, in my playthrough I never progressed the Chris quest, so it wasn't brought up, but it could fairly be a detriment on my record.

Detailed feedback below:

Spoiler

VCOld.msg Hidalgo / villa council

{303}{}{(The hall buzzes with murmurs until Hidalgo raises his hand) Quiet! Enough with the noise! We'll get to it, but one at a time, por favor.}
{304}{}{, it's your turn to speak.}
These are joined together, but there's a missing space: "por favor.CHARNAME, it's your turn to speak". Probably needs a trailing space in 303

{291}{}{Don't take it too hard, folks. She wouldn't want that.}
(re madres death) I'd suggest "folks" -> "everyone" to match the gravity of the moment a touch better. Or "Don't weep, everyone."

{293}{}{Your madre has already approved the passing of leadership. She's busy with the village recovery, which means you, }
"She's busy with the village recovery" -> "She's busy rebuilding the village" or "She's busy coordinating our/the rebuild"



{300}{}{(Old man Pablo stands up from the crowd) It's too soon to let this kid run the Villa! Don't make us laugh, Hidalgo! ...
{305}{}{Old man Pablo is as suspicious as ever. I'll have to address his complaints.}
Maybe "skeptical" or "obstinate" or "obdurate" instead of "suspicious". Or "Old man Pablo doesn't trust easily."

{303}{}{(The hall buzzes with murmurs until Hidalgo raises his hand) Quiet! Enough with the noise! We'll get to it, but one at a time, por favor.}
"We'll get to it" -> "We'll get to everything" or "We'll address everything" or "We'll address everyone's concerns". Consider cutting "Enough with the noise!" or change to "Settle down!" for a more natural expression.


{311}{}{What else will you surprise us old folks with?}
I didn't quite follow the gist of this one. Perhaps "What other nonsense do you have for us?" (or "...have to say to us?")

{315}{}{This is what I'm talking about - recklessness! The young don't understand what it means to lead a community. They don't know the rules, nor our history. Can we really trust someone like that with our legacy? (general discontent)}
Perhaps "general discontent" -> "general grumbling". Also "legacy" -> "future" seems more appropriate to the context.

{317}{}{But in the end, it'll be everyone's decision. I've said my piece.
Perhaps "it'll be everyone's decision" -> "I'll respect the group's decision"

{318}{}{Hmm... Now I see who I'm dealing with. You care about our people and our village. You can be trusted. But only if you listen to us old-timers. (turning to the crowd) I approve! (the crowd erupts in cheers)}
"... You care about our people and our village, and can be trusted. But I expect you to heed the advice of us elders. ..."

{321}{}{What? Oh, the weather station... Was that really the priority while our people were in trouble? Though, granted, the station is important, especially now with our food reserves running low. Still, people were in trouble.}
"Though, granted," -> "Granted,"
consider second "Still, people were in trouble" -> "Still, our people were in need"

{329}{}{Come on. While you were gathering your courage, they would've broken into the barn and taken everything in it. You should say "thank you," you ungrateful lot.}
Consider "You should say "thank you,"" -> "You should thank me,"

{331}{}{We all know how that went. The Founder forbade those old remedies for a reason - they're dangerous. Half of them are poison. Even if not, the descendants of those you treated might be cursed. Reckless, but I admit, people are alive because of you.}
Consider "remedies" -> "drugs" or "concoctions" to make the connection to "poison" more obvious.
"Even if not, the descendants of those you treated might be cursed." feels like it needs to be better fleshed out. Perhaps "For all we know, those treated with forbidden remedies will be forever cursed, along with their descendants!" or "... subject to a vile curse,"
"It was reckless. But I admit that people are alive because of you."

{338}{}{We know about that. It was brave, no doubt about it. Though, I don't think he really needed help. He could've survived on corn leaves for a while and eventually returned to the village out of hunger. The kid's not stupid.}
"corn leaves" -> "corn" or "corn kernels" (I don't think corn leaves are edible, are they?) "corn husks" if it must be preserved.
"village out of hunger" -> "village when he got hungry"

{364}{}{ went after Chris and brought him back. Chris was a traitor and earned his stripes, but if not for }
{1364}{}{ went after Chris and brought him back. Chris was a traitor and earned his stripes, but if not for }
"earned his stripes" is a good thing, the opposite of the intent here (I believe)
"earned his stripes" -> "deserved to be punished" or "earned his lashing"

{374}{}{. The Founder warned us against using Old World tech. It's what caused the Great War a century ago. We've stayed clear of that junk for good reason. Now you bring it in, acting like nothing's wrong.}
Perhaps "Now you bring it in, acting like nothing's wrong." -> "Now you nonchalantly bring it to our village."

{379}{}{What's wrong with old tech if it protects us? It's nonsense.}
"It's nonsense." -> "That's nonsense." (talking about the previous idea, not the tech)

{380}{}{The Founder knew what that Old World tech could do! You think you're smarter than our ancestors? (the crowd boos: "Boo")}
"(the crowd boos: "Boo")" -> need to drop "Boo", or come up with another utterance that isn't repeated

{393}{}{Less than half, but still, }
{394}{}{, you'll need to put in more work to earn all our trust. But by the Founder's decree, only his bloodline can lead. Delay won't change that.}
"but still" makes the meaning seem opposite ("More than half, but still…" would make sense).
"Delay won't change that" doesn't quite make sense to me.
Suggestion:
{393}{}{You got less than half the votes, }
{394}{}{. You'll need to put in more work to earn our trust. But, by the Founder's decree, only his bloodline can lead, even if it takes time.} or ", even if you're not yet ready."


{415}{}{You're right. We only escaped the pen. As long as the mines are operational, we won't be safe. I think we should destroy them.}
"We escaped the slave pen, but as long as the mines are operational, we won't be safe."

{417}{}{In the mines, we used something called "explosives." They can 'explode' and bring down tons of rock. There should be enough of this stuff stored away near the mine to collapse the main passage.}
"stored away" -> "stored"

{418}{}{You're insane. Going back there for sabotage? It's way too dangerous.}
Perhaps "Going back there for sabotage?" -> "A sabotage operation?"


{435}{}{If the factory's all about its machines, then we need to destroy the machines themselves. I don't know how to do that. But those who returned from Flagstaff speak of something called "explosives." Surely that stuff can destroy the machines if it can bring down mountains of rock. There's no need to destroy the entire factory.}
"If the factory's all about its machines, then we need to destroy the machines themselves." -> "The heart of the factory is its production machines, and that's what we need to destroy."

{440}{}{For their betrayal of their neighbors, the scavengers deserve to be brought down a peg or two. I'll destroy their damned factory.}
"For their betrayal of their neighbors, the scavengers deserve to be brought down a peg or two" -> "The scavengers deserve to be brought down a peg or two for betraying us." or "...their neighbors."

{443}{}{You're trying to deprive people of their hard earned efforts. We should try to find a compromise.}
Perhaps "You're trying to deprive people of their hard earned efforts" -> "You're trying to deprive people of the only way they have to make a living." or "have to survive." or "the only hope for that town to survive."

(aside: perhaps change all the plural references to Flagstaff "mines" to singular "mine")

{458}{}{Now it's time to deal with the Flagstaff prison...}
Maybe "Now it's time to deal with the Flagstaff slave trade..."

{460}{}{Oh... What are you saying? You're proposing we form an alliance with scavengers? Many won't like that. On the other hand, their labor would be very helpful and would greatly benefit Villa.}
Perhaps "On the other hand, their labor would be very helpful and would greatly benefit Villa." -> "That said, we desperately need labor and supplies to rebuilt our Villa."

{466}{}{, we are grateful to you for freeing us from our enemies. Old man Hidalgo told us that Garage City and Flagstaff are no longer a threat. After all, they were our closest and thus most dangerous foes.}
"After all, they were our closest and thus most dangerous foes" -> "They were our closest and thus most dangerous foes."

{467}{}{So, now we've got some breathing space.}
Not wrong, but "breathing room" would be more common when used as a metaphor.

{468}{}{Oh no. I'm afraid not. You, your padre, and several other elders have traveled far from home. We know what the world can be like. Without protectors, we're an easy target for any raider.}
"We know what the world can be like" -> "We now know of what kinds of threats lurk everywhere."

{470}{}{As you understand, our peasant traditions don't allow us to even touch old technology. We know how to cultivate but not how to fight. We need a protector. The only one who can take on that role is the Rangers. Go to them and negotiate with General Mossman for the protection of Villa in exchange for part of our harvest.}
Maybe "peasant traditions" -> "traditions".


{507}{}{Truly, a hero among heroes! Without the Brotherhood of Steel and the Rangers, the big cities will descend into chaos and won't be able to thrive.}
{1507}{}{Truly, you are the protector of our lands! Without the Brotherhood of Steel and the Rangers, the big cities will descend into chaos and won't be able to thrive.}
Perhaps "won't be able to thrive." -> "won't be able to pose a threat."

 

[Cambragol]

Okay, going through all this first batch of points:

Perhaps "Enslaved too, huh?" -> "Were they enslaved too?"

Here I think the first version fits his personality more.

{316}{}{Worried about a spy from town, are you? Obviously not me.}

The original is correct. He's worried about spies sent from Faber. Depending on the players speech check, he either tells where the traps are, or not.

{116}{}{Looks like the jailers overcharged for you, you lump of dirt.}
Perhaps "Buying you was a rip off, you lump of dirt."

I think the original is better here--- he deflects blame from himself

Any chance this is supposed to be something like "You can go."?

Maybe 'You're free to go'

This quest also seems slightly buggy. It doesn't seem to matter how I resolve the conversation with the slave master, even "You're right, it's none of my business." All paths lead to the master walking away, and the slave thanking me when I talk to him.

I think the first path is just that you intervened, whatever the outcome, so the slave is grateful. The other path is you killed the master, and the slave is now actually free. However, the dialogues blend together after the first few lines. Probably why it was 'You're free' - there could be a check there to give two different lines when saying goodbye - one for dead master, one for living master - I have added this fix in script

FCSlvGrd.msg:{113}{}{Our colony is open to everyone... You know what I mean.}
Perhaps meant to be "Our colony is open to everyone... if you know what I mean." (implying that they'd enslaved anyone, I suppose?). Or "... if you catch my drift."

Changed it to this:
{113}{}{Our colony is open to decent folk... You know what I mean.}

{225}{}{Come on, tell me your story, I won't tell anyone.}
{226}{}{The thing is, I'd just rather not.}
{228}{}{Looks like you've been through hell, keeping your mouth shut like that.}
Maybe "Looks like you've had a hard time keeping your mouth shut." I'm not exactly sure what the gist is here. Perhaps something more like "Looks like you're itching to tell your story."?

Changed to:
{228}{}{Looks like you've been through hell, you must want to get it off your chest.}

There were a few other small changes that I kept as is, but for the most part all your suggestions are in. Good stuff as usual.

There's a whole other level of editing possible of making the dialog really "sing" and giving each character a unique voice.

I did a lot of work on all the 'talking heads' dialogues, to give them unique voices. They are the most divergent/polished in this regard.

(Another reason I haven't tried to dig in to that level is that I'm only a passable writer, making it easier for me to fix up poor language than take average language to "brilliant").

For these dialogues, I think we don't need brilliant writing exactly. The writing is mostly hard-coded to the scripting. What we can do is give each character a unique voice, which is just giving them a personality/tone/outlook, and then tweaking their words to match. With the short number of lines each character has, they don't need to be too fleshed out - there isn't room for that. They need to be 2d cardboard cutout stereotypes. That's all the room we have for really. A player should walk away with a simple impression of that character 'an angry, jealous little man that likes to swear and mutter under his breath alot', 'a tight-lipped, frightened, but well spoken woman' etc.

 

[Cambragol]

While I was copying one note in here, I got carried away and reviewed the rest of the council meetings. This is a place that might be worth trying to make richer since it's such a cornerstone to the plot and to the player's motivation. For instance, having more outcomes to the vote than just "won overwhelmingly" and "less than half" (even just adding "barely won") would be very nice in the future, given how many variables seemingly feed into the outcome. There could also be consequences of leaving some quests unfinished. For instance, in my playthrough I never progressed the Chris quest, so it wasn't brought up, but it could fairly be a detriment on my record.

I haven't played through this part in game, only through script. I did think it would be a tall-order to script/run a town meeting to finish off the Villa quests/situation. Tweaking it is possible, but considering all the variables, fraught with new bug inducing danger.

(aside: perhaps change all the plural references to Flagstaff "mines" to singular "mine")

Done. It seems it was mostly in the conversation with Hidalgo.

The rest of the fixes for the Villa meeting are in pretty much unchanged.

Okay. I will have to get onto to a full English release soon. Just buried in bug-fixing Fallout2-ce. Thanks for all the feedback @malaise_chalk ! Fantastic stuff.

 

[malaise_chalk]

Maybe 'You're free to go'

I think the first path is just that you intervened, whatever the outcome, so the slave is grateful. The other path is you killed the master, and the slave is now actually free. However, the dialogues blend together after the first few lines. Probably why it was 'You're free' - there could be a check there to give two different lines when saying goodbye - one for dead master, one for living master - I have added this fix in script.

Nice! That's a nice touch.

For these dialogues, I think we don't need brilliant writing exactly. The writing is mostly hard-coded to the scripting. What we can do is give each character a unique voice, which is just giving them a personality/tone/outlook, and then tweaking their words to match. With the short number of lines each character has, they don't need to be too fleshed out - there isn't room for that. They need to be 2d cardboard cutout stereotypes. That's all the room we have for really. A player should walk away with a simple impression of that character 'an angry, jealous little man that likes to swear and mutter under his breath alot', 'a tight-lipped, frightened, but well spoken woman' etc.

I largely agree that that. It would be hard to add a character as rich as, say, Harold in Fallout 1, to Sonora without a lot of surgery. I think the main thing is making the stakes seem "real" and believable enough for the player to make interesting (and hopefully difficult) choices. The dialog with Aaron is good existing example of that—say the wrong thing and you'll suffer significant consequences.

I haven't played through this part in game, only through script. I did think it would be a tall-order to script/run a town meeting to finish off the Villa quests/situation. Tweaking it is possible, but considering all the variables, fraught with new bug inducing danger.

Totally, I'm mostly just flagging this as a potential area to look at in the future. I'd agree that making non-trivial changes to the existing scripting doesn't seem like the highest value stuff to work on at the moment.

Okay. I will have to get onto to a full English release soon

 

[Zaius238]

Hey so sorry if this has already been answered but i dont really know how to browse this forum and i did not find anything on ModDB - How do i change the game's resolution? Im using the improved Fallout 2 CE linked on moddb (im the person who commented about dead links the other day). Also, would mods like the inventory sorter and other tweaks work?

Hi!

I'd suggest getting the community edition from here, instead, as it's the link provided by the Cambragol translation website:

Release Fallout2-CE Continuous Build · fallout2-ce/fallout2-ce

Fallout 2 for modern operating systems. Contribute to fallout2-ce/fallout2-ce development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

Regarding the Inventory add-on by MrStalin, it is a nice QoL in mods with a plethora of permanent companions like killap's Restoration Project Updated, enabling a inventory switcher in the trading screen, which is quite useful when you're buying extra ammunition for your companion to carry (Flamethrower fuel/flamethrower fuel MKII, for example), or if you're trying to obtain a particularly valuable item from a shopkeeper and have to drag tons of items from the backpacks of companions to the shop's "table".

But in Fallout Sonora, while admittedly still useful, there's not a whole lot of haulers like in Restoration Project, and not many forms of improving their carrying capacities, either! In Fallout 2 you could buy Power Armors for your entire team from a shop in one of the game's towns, Frisco (San Francisco), same cannot be said about Sonora.

I've beaten Sonora multiple times without using it, and it wasn't a deal breaker, for me.

 

[gustarballs1983]

Hi!

I'd suggest getting the community edition from here, instead, as it's the link provided by the Cambragol translation website:

Release Fallout2-CE Continuous Build · fallout2-ce/fallout2-ce

Fallout 2 for modern operating systems. Contribute to fallout2-ce/fallout2-ce development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

Regarding the Inventory add-on by MrStalin, it is a nice QoL in mods with a plethora of permanent companions like killap's Restoration Project Updated, enabling a inventory switcher in the trading screen, which is quite useful when you're buying extra ammunition for your companion to carry (Flamethrower fuel/flamethrower fuel MKII, for example), or if you're trying to obtain a particularly valuable item from a shopkeeper and have to drag tons of items from the backpacks of companions to the shop's "table".

But in Fallout Sonora, while admittedly still useful, there's not a whole lot of haulers like in Restoration Project, and not many forms of improving their carrying capacities, either! In Fallout 2 you could buy Power Armors for your entire team from a shop in one of the game's towns, Frisco (San Francisco), same cannot be said about Sonora.

I've beaten Sonora multiple times without using it, and it wasn't a deal breaker, for me.

And in Sonora You still have like 5 party npcs to follow you around, 6th is available after endgame..
also DLC gives a str boost to one of your companions (as mexican PA is available there) on top of what you can get from inferno and fix either by means of BoS or Tinsmiths... also the Tinsmiths themselves have a nice souvenier after the endgame as an extra Mexican PA is available in their shop.. on top of everything Barkley already has 10str on his top level so he does not require str boost.

given the total number of legit comapnions is more than being able to enlist in this game ( 6 out of 5 ), i think this inventory mod is more than needed if not cheating.. especially that you can hoard whiskey that can bolster your CHA up to 10 for the purpose of party enlisment, and there are additional submods that do ease on the re- enlistment like the ability to enter ranger citadel with your party + PA on yourself, and a cheatmod allowing to ride the bike with full party when fully developed.

 

[Zaius238]

If you're saying that the inventory filter is a must have, as in, objectively speaking:
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man.
Sure, you may have felt that it was a must have, for your particular playstyle, well guess what, we're not the same individual and I didn't miss the features added by the mod during multiple playthroughs I've done, not only to try a different character build, but also help with the translation.

About the wide range of optional companions, as far as I know, it is inferior to Black Isle's entry even if one decides to install the optional Dayglow DLC. Let's count this together, why not:

In Fallout 2 A Post Nuclear Roleplaying Game you have:
Davin OR Miria
K-9
Dogmeat
Pariah Dog
Robodog/Cyberdog
Robobrain/Brain Bot (Skynet)
Myron
Marcus
MacRae (Cassidy)
Vic
Sulik
Lenny
Goris
Laddie (Will automatically leave the team soon or later, unless you 'manipulate' the AI to keep following you)

In killap's Restoration Project Updated you have:
Davin OR Miria
K-9
Dogmeat
Pariah Dog
Robodog/Cyberdog
Robobrain/Brain Bot (Skynet)
Myron
Marcus
MacRae (Cassidy)
Vic
Sulik
Lenny
Goris
Laddie
Kitsune
Dex
Cat Jules

Post-installation of Goat Boy/goatboy11 Companion Expansion, you have:
Davin OR Miria
K-9
Dogmeat
Pariah Dog
Robodog/Cyberdog
Robobrain/Brain Bot (Skynet)
Myron
Marcus
MacRae (Cassidy)
Vic
Sulik
Lenny
Goris
Laddie
Kitsune
Dex
Cat Jules
Angela Bishop
Rhea
Lara
Cera
Dr. Jones
Christopher Wright
Little Jesus Mordino
Mason

In Fallout Sonora you only have these:
Diana
Arthur Carrington
Pancho
Barkley
Gomes <= Only if you got the DLC, and it's impossible to convince him to go back with you, after you 100% the Dayglow DLC.
Also the obscure optional companion that behaves like you're blood related, Senor Assistante. If one killed the Adonisia NPC at any point previous to the main quest completion it's completely impossible of meeting this character. If you didn't take the perk (Eternal Wanderer) to continue playing after beating the game, then it's also impossible to encounter this character.

 

[gustarballs1983]

If you're saying that the inventory filter is a must have, as in, objectively speaking:
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man.
Sure, you may have felt that it was a must have, for your particular playstyle, well guess what, we're not the same individual and I didn't miss the features added by the mod during multiple playthroughs I've done, not only to try a different character build, but also help with the translation.

About the wide range of optional companions, as far as I know, it is inferior to Black Isle's entry even if one decides to install the optional Dayglow DLC. Let's count this together, why not:

In Fallout 2 A Post Nuclear Roleplaying Game you have:
Davin OR Miria
K-9
Dogmeat
Pariah Dog
Robodog/Cyberdog
Robobrain/Brain Bot (Skynet)
Myron
Marcus
MacRae (Cassidy)
Vic
Sulik
Lenny
Goris
Laddie (Will automatically leave the team soon or later, unless you 'manipulate' the AI to keep following you)

In killap's Restoration Project Updated you have:
Davin OR Miria
K-9
Dogmeat
Pariah Dog
Robodog/Cyberdog
Robobrain/Brain Bot (Skynet)
Myron
Marcus
MacRae (Cassidy)
Vic
Sulik
Lenny
Goris
Laddie
Kitsune
Dex
Cat Jules

Post-installation of Goat Boy/goatboy11 Companion Expansion, you have:
Davin OR Miria
K-9
Dogmeat
Pariah Dog
Robodog/Cyberdog
Robobrain/Brain Bot (Skynet)
Myron
Marcus
MacRae (Cassidy)
Vic
Sulik
Lenny
Goris
Laddie
Kitsune
Dex
Cat Jules
Angela Bishop
Rhea
Lara
Cera
Dr. Jones
Christopher Wright
Little Jesus Mordino
Mason

In Fallout Sonora you only have these:
Diana
Arthur Carrington
Pancho
Barkley
Gomes <= Only if you got the DLC, and it's impossible to convince him to go back with you, after you 100% the Dayglow DLC.
Also the obscure optional companion that behaves like you're blood related, Senor Assistante. If one killed the Adonisia NPC at any point previous to the main quest completion it's completely impossible of meeting this character. If you didn't take the perk (Eternal Wanderer) to continue playing after beating the game, then it's also impossible to encounter this character.

Let me straighten those ejaculates..
You wrote You can have
Mira or Davin
and yet:
Dex
Kitsune
Cat Jules
instead of:
Dex or Kitsune or Cat Jules

hybernates need CRSI in Fallout 2 otherwise they end up as private dobbs..
Yes you can have all three of them but you'd need to cheat in two doses of CRSI, otherwise the other two will die..

and as for Sonora
You forgot the 1.14 addon the mercenary:

Spoiler

If you spare the life of a goon in villa's cellars, he is later able to be recruited as a companion in flagstaff's bar, but seeing how aggressive you are i get you always chose to kill him and never found out about it :p

plus Seńor Asistante ( sorry i don't have the proepr spanish letter so i used what i have "ń"), which Cabragol chose to translate simply as Mr.Handy..

if you want to be scrougy you can also enlist Eugene simply get the quest to escort mechanic from garage city to the dam, destroy the dam, and go pick him up ( do DLC first).. He's sort of glitched he doesn't have resistances nor does he have combat settings, nor can he use any weapons besides unarmed, and no animation thrown weapons like rocks flares and grenades, with beefed up pyromaniac and flares he's quite a thing, though i wouldn't risk him in melee, with his buged resistances..

 

[malaise_chalk]

@Cambragol Here's a batch of awkward phrases I've encountered playing over the last week or so. (I've been working on F2:CE more than playing though… oops)

TCMotel.msg

{200}{}{(reluctantly turns in your direction) All rooms are occupied.}
{201}{}{But half the keys are hanging there behind the counter...}
{202}{}{A big thing is coming up. Those rooms are reserved. If you need to spend the night, try knocking on some residential doors.}
Perhaps something like "A big thing is coming up." -> "A big event is coming up."
"If you need to spend the night, try knocking on some residential doors" -> "If you need a place to sleep, knock on some other door." (or just omit this line, I don't think it's needed)


TCBarter.msg

{230}{}{What do you trade?}
{231}{}{Two-Sun has long been renowned for its technological prowess. Not everyone is deemed worthy of it.}
{400}{}{I have an old atomic clock. What do you have?}
[... atomic clock trading branch]
400 is a bit of a non-sequitur. Perhaps:
"I have an old atomic clock. Interesting in trading for it?"

{415}{}{Give me time to think. Don't worry, the clock won't get damaged during this time.}
"during this time" -> "in the meantime/meanwhile"



TCCarlos.msg

{314}{}{You're right. The Tinsmiths are distrustful of outsiders. Gaining their trust requires fanaticism for technology. It going to be very difficult to join their ranks as an equal.}
Perhaps "Gaining their trust requires fanaticism for technology." -> "They only trust people who worship technology".


MCBoss.msg
{363}{}{He shouldn't refuse. Do whatever you can to win him over.}
{364}{}{I see. I'm going on a mission.}
"I'm going on a mission." -> "I'll head out on the mission." or maybe "Got it. I'm heading out."


VCMadre.msg

{298}{}{I got your pendant back, madre.}
{299}{}{Oh, thank you! Honestly, it wasn't worth the risk, but you've helped preserve our family history. Here, take this pendant. It's yours now. I hope it brings you good luck on your journey.}
"Here, take this pendant" -> "Here, take the pendant" or just "Take it—it's yours now."



DCMerDch.msg

{337}{}{It's up to you. For me, my business in this city is finished. It's time to hit the road.}
{338}{}{Seems like it. I'm really sorry.}
"Seems like it." seems pretty cold if the PC is actually sorry. Perhaps "Maybe you're right. I'm really sorry." or "I guess you're right. ..."


PIPBOY.msg

{3010}{}{ Moving in was hell. There was a jam before the vault,}
"There was a jam before the vault," -> "There was a traffic jam on the way to the vault,"
{3011}{}{ we had to abandon the car on the road. We were}


VVCScnc.msg

{353}{}{My parents taught me reading and computer skills. It's rare around here, so folks in Phoenix valued my services. When the Church of the Holy Fire took over, I had opportunities for science I'd only dreamed of.}
"opportunities for science" -> "scientific opportunities"

NCApcTch.msg
{288}{}{Alright, I'll do it. Give me the holotape.}
{289}{}{Thank you! Here's the holotape. Copy at least the most important and useful texts for our school. Good luck.}
Perhaps "Copy at least the most important and useful texts for our school" -> "Try to copy the most important and useful texts for our school."

{232}{}{Continue.}
{237}{}{Continue.}
Perhaps "[More]"

NCQuestB.msg

{250}{}{Because we don't have any. We are just peons... peasants signed to lifelong servitude, almost slaves... Any complaints here are strictly punished, and any public protest would be a direct road to the next world. Let's finish this. You shouldn't provoke the beast while it is sleeping.}
"Let's finish this" -> "Let's not talk about this any more." or "Enough on that."

NCChipo.msg

{238}{}{Let me take a look at this creature. Maybe I can help him heal.}
Perhaps drop "heal"

{239}{}{I had to perform a whole operation on Pinky. But it's all over now.}
"I had to perform a whole operation on Pinky" -> "I had to operate on Pinky." or "I had to perform a tricky/risky operation on Picky."

NCApcBos.msg

{415}{}{Who was involved in the plantations?}
"Who was involved in the plantations?" seems to be a question about the man missing the in the plantation. Perhaps "Do you know about the man missing in the plantations?"

{416}{}{That man isn't with us. He sacrificed himself to science. Please, try not to ask about him to avoid hurting anyone's feelings.}
Perhaps "Please ask no more. It's a delicate/sensitive subject."

{417}{}{But there was another Follower, right?}
Is this supposed to be "But he was a Follower, right?"?

{419}{}{Plantations are your thing too?}
"Were the plantations your creation?" or "Did the Followers create the plantations?"

{422}{}{Believe me, we had our reasons for being here. This decision came from extensive preliminary research.}
"This location was backed by extensive research"

{440}{}{How do you like life here?}
{441}{}{Just wonderful. It's hard to find a better town these days.}
{443}{}{Even with all these regulations?}
{444}{}{What's confusing you about the regulations? They were in place before the War. The authorities had their reasons for restricting ordinary citizens, and those reasons need to be considered.}
{445}{}{Has a lack of will and totalitarianism ever made people truly happy?}
Maybe: "Can people be truly happy when without freedom?"
{446}{}{Has the average person ever been completely free? ... }

In general this interaction feels clunky, but I'm not up for rewording it all at the moment.

 

[NovaRain]

Here's my take on Sonora interface bar in English (top - FO1 iface, middle - Sonora original iface, bottom - my edits):

I edited the area on the left of INV and Options buttons to be more inline with FO1.

The attached zip also contains my edits of the inventory box (main inventory, loot screen, and "use item on" interface).
Sonora's original box (left) has a more pristine look than vanilla FO2 (middle), so instead of directly using graphics from vanilla FO2, I only englishized the text labels (right).

 

[gustarballs1983]

Here's my take on Sonora interface bar in English (top - FO1 iface, middle - Sonora original iface, bottom - my edits):
View attachment 36708
I edited the area on the left of INV and Options buttons to be more inline with FO1.

The attached zip also contains my edits of the inventory box (main inventory, loot screen, and "use item on" interface).
Sonora's original box (left) has a more pristine look than vanilla FO2 (middle), so instead of directly using graphics from vanilla FO2, I only englishized the text labels (right).
View attachment 36710

Hey @NovaRain
I admire Your work on the sonora interface graphics, yet not everything got translated.. namely if someone uses Foxx's version with sfall5, and enables extended inventory, the graphics is still untranslated.. could You get to work on that as well?

while at it other mods with custom interfaces also lack english support for the sfall5's extended inventory such as Fo:Nevada's custom english inventory art..

Also on a side note.. i've isolated the "trinket slot" mod for sonora where You could use certain items from the inventory ( mirrored shades and glasses in particular) by use ( hand icon) from the inventory, and they'd show up in a new item slot in the item screen, granting the item's bonus a.k.a +1CHA for mirrored shades and +1PER for glasses. I was unable to decompile it however..

My question is If i provide You with this mod will you adapt it for general use? I mean externalize the functional item llist, and their functions to an .ini , and compile it back for the comunity? Russian players have this mod adapted for Fo:Nevada where it serves as slot for the Cheyenne amulet (+1LK), the version i found was further adapted for Fo:Sonora and doesn't work for Fo:Nevada..

So I'm asking for externalization to .ini of the functionality, so that the mod would become universal mod, so that anyone could add it and tailor it to any classic Fallout game, in a full release..

I can provide the ziped mod's .dat file if you're up for this task..

 

[Cambragol]

@NovaRain - very nice.

I made the same adjustments you made to my hr_iface_800:



though I kept the Sonora standard hr_iface as it was (with language changed of course)

I never noticed the difference with the inventory screen. I wonder why they did that... It almost looks like cover for blanking out the original English text.