Fallout's 10th anniversary: Vault 13 Timeline

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by Morbus, Oct 6, 2007.

  1. Morbus

    Morbus Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 16, 2006
    The Vault has released the original timeline for Fallout, when it was still called “Vault 13: A GURPS Post-Nuclear Adventure”:<blockquote>The timeline is one of the oldest released Fallout design documents, written by Scott Campbell.</blockquote>Link: Vault 13: A GURPS Post-Nuclear Adventure timeline
    Link: PDF file

    Thanks Ausir.
  2. Ausir

    Ausir Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Apr 20, 2003
    For me, the changes in the Master’s story are the most interesting ones. The final version is much better than the original one. Although other than the Master and the details of the BOS story, surprisingly little has changed.

    By the way, as you can see, FEV *was* the source of all mutations in the original design :).
  3. babadook

    babadook Background Radiant

    Apr 2, 2005
    I can't open the link to the pdf... hmm
  4. Ausir

    Ausir Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Apr 20, 2003
  5. globbi

    globbi It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Aug 13, 2006
    Wow, I've never known the story behind Fallout and Master was so well developed. Now I also read about the past of Master on Wikia. A nice novel could be made of this all.

    Btw. Isn't the timeline a bit different from what is in Masters origins here: http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Master ?
  6. Ausir

    Ausir Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Apr 20, 2003
    Yes, the version in this timeline is the early design that underwent many changes in the final game. The Master article at The Vault describes the final version of the Master's story.

    If you want to read the history of the Fallout universe as shown in the final game, as opposed to this early design, read this one:

  7. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
    Admin Orderite

    Apr 3, 2003
    Not only that, but FEV seems to be the cause of the final pushing of the button, since the war directly follows the panic. Interesting, that.
  8. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Jul 5, 2003
    Hah, this is pretty cool.
    I like how California was actually seperated from the mainland, very Escape from L.A.

    The Brotherhood play a much more central role in this version as well. And the Master as a God of War is pretty fun.
  9. Sorrow

    Sorrow So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Feb 9, 2006
    It was an interesting reading :) . I found it more detailed than the final timeline.
  10. Crowfoot

    Crowfoot Still Mildly Glowing

    Jun 21, 2007
    Nice reading. Was it the case that they changed the delivery method from warheads to bombs dropped from planes in the final version of the story?
  11. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 3, 2003
    The method of delivery is never shown or confirmed anywhere in the Fallout games. It's *assumed* to be by plane.
  12. Tagaziel

    Tagaziel Panzerkatze Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Dec 10, 2003
    In Fallout 2 it's "spears of nuclear devastation". So ICBMs propably were used too.
  13. Maphusio

    Maphusio Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Sep 25, 2004
    Wicked cool! That clears up allot of confusion for me!
  14. I_eat_supermutants

    I_eat_supermutants Vault Senior Citizen

    Feb 5, 2007
    Nice. I must've read everything possible in The Vault. This was cool, though the final changes seems to be better. I am gonna read both histories side by side just to see.
  15. Silencer

    Silencer Night Watchman Staff Member Admin

    Nov 7, 2003
    While this would go well with SCIENCE! theme, it's far overdone in my opinion and I'm glad that they cut it.

    Escape from New York didn't have any tectonic plates moving and was that much better :P
  16. Jiggly McNerdington

    Jiggly McNerdington Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Jul 14, 2007
    Pretty cool read. Fallout's got one of the most enjoyable post apocalyptic settings in my mind. Nice mix of sci-fi technology, plaque, and good ol' nukes. A "The Stand"-like game could be entertaining, but without the mutants and radiation it loses a certain spice.

    Though it kinda reminds me of something, you'd think pre-war items would be getting rarer in the time of FO3. FO1 was 90-100ish years after the apocalypse, FO2 was 80ish years after that, and they were saying FO3 was supposed to be what, another 50-100 years? You'd think even places that managed to kind of keep it together like NCR and Vault City would be getting strapped for supplies now.
  17. Ausir

    Ausir Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Apr 20, 2003
    Actually, Fallout and Fallout 2 have even more direct references to "missiles" and "warheads" than the "spears of nuclear fire". Some examples:

    From CHUCK.MSG (FO1):

    From GLO1WEAP.MSG (FO1):

    From OBJ_DUDE.MSG (FO1):

    From Fcdrfung.msg (FO2):

    By the way, a common argument against FEV being the source of mutations was that it would make all mutations limited to California. Well...

  18. Morbus

    Morbus Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 16, 2006
    Is it assumed to be by plane? I always had the idea it was intercontinental missiles of some sort. At least I think it fits the setting better... in a Science! kind of way. Pushing the big red button is nicer than having a lot of planes nuking the whole world. Besides, "in two brief hours" how much damage could you cause using only planes?

  19. Ausir

    Ausir Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Apr 20, 2003
    I believe Tim Cain once said something along the lines of "uhh I dunno, I'd say planes" and it's been held as canon by many people, but that's really the word of one of the developers against evidence inside to the contrary the game itself, even more so than with the FEV vs. radiation debate. Also, I doubt that "total nuclear annihilation" can be achieved in a mere "two hours" with just planes.

    By the way, given that some of the original FO1 and 2 devs support one and some the other and FEV was the source of mutations in the original design documents, I suppose it's best to change the articles in The Vault about mutations that say they were definitely caused by radiation to something less definite, and state that the source of most mutations is unknown, and is either one or the other. Thoughts?

    By the way, remember how everyone laughed at Mariposa being called a "military Vault" in the Tactics intro?

  20. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
    Admin Orderite

    Apr 3, 2003
    ICBMs weren't deployed until 1959, though. There's the simple problem that they're not a part of the Yesterday's Future Today.

    A few statements in game aren't definite either way. Like I said, there is no clear evidence of the method of delivery in the game, either way. Same as with FEV and radiation.

    To nitpick about it is somewhat stupid until someone determines canon. Since canon is now in Bethesda's hands, I guess we'll just never know.

    It being based on an outdated no-longer-valid timeline just makes it more laughable, not less.

    And sure, edit ahead on Wiki.