Feminism and why it's bad.

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Beaushizzle, Sep 20, 2015.

  1. Moosick

    Moosick cats

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    Jul 8, 2015
    you know that authoritarianism is also ideological, right?

    like there are PLENTY of people who love equality, fairness, sometimes multiculturalism etc and think that the best way to do that is to stifle freedom of speech and instigate it all through governmental doctrine. Then there are the ones who don't want government, but instead want to use peer pressure to ostracise The Dissenter. Hell, Marx warned people about those sorts in /his/ writings, for all the good it did once the tyrants started to cherry pick his works.

    I'd say "authoritarian leftist" is the perfect descriptor for those people. They're not quite Stalinist but they are still in the upper left hand side of that sad little chart people use.
     
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  2. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
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    Jul 5, 2003
    I'm not going to say those people don't exist because I'm sure they do, but when people in this thread and elsewhere complain of authoritarian leftists they are invariably doing it about people who are not actually advocating any kind of authoritarian positions. There are no calls for legal punishment, for the use of police force -- at most, there are calls for administrators or employers to do something. Which I'd agree is generally a bad thing (and frequently criticized within the left as well), but that's still not actually authoritarianism, and certainly not "not quite Stalinist."

    These kinds of reactions to leftist actions are, as I keep on saying, a moral panic.
     
  3. Pondwitch

    Pondwitch First time out of the vault

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    Oct 13, 2015

    And? You're dodging all the points he's making.
     
  4. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite Board Cop oTO

    Aug 16, 2010
    Because I don't care about all the other points, and I don't actually disagree with them. Discussing things with Sander is pointless, anyway, and all I wanted to say in this matter was how in this special case the kneejerk comparisons to Nineteen Eighty-Four are at least correct in one tiny detail.
     
  5. Buxbaum666

    Buxbaum666 Heterostructured Nanorod oTO Orderite

    Dec 5, 2003
    Since it's such a common phrase nowadays, in what way is it pointless to discuss/argue things with Sander as opposed to other people?
     
  6. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I guess it's more fun watching it from the outside than actually beeing a part of it? :razz:
     
  7. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
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    Jul 5, 2003
    Probably because I hold that in general, debates/discussions are a terrible way to change people's minds.

    Speaking of changing people's minds, hey-ho let's back up the "Tim Hunt was attacked unfairly" train:
    From https://medium.com/@danwaddell/saving-tim-hunt-97db23c6ee93, citing a host of people who were there to witness his remarks.
     
  8. Akratus

    Akratus Bleep bloop.

    May 14, 2011
  9. Riven326

    Riven326 First time out of the vault

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    Dec 2, 2015
    Feminism, as in equality for women, isn't bad. Neo-feminism is what we have today, and it has little to do with equality.
     
  10. Buxbaum666

    Buxbaum666 Heterostructured Nanorod oTO Orderite

    Dec 5, 2003
    And this is a fact because you say so.
     
  11. Riven326

    Riven326 First time out of the vault

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    Dec 2, 2015
    I encourage others to look into it and draw their own conclusions.
     
  12. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite Board Cop oTO

    Aug 16, 2010
    All but the most extreme branches of feminism are about equality, and one could even argue for those extreme branches. They just don't communicate it very well, so it seems that they just seek to swap patriarchy for matriarchy.
     
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  13. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010
    Most of the feminists I've met communicate their ideas awfully - as in, Pete Hines does a better job. Good for you for trying to get something (good) done, but fuck off for not only not doing it properly but also trying to put a blame on me for something I've never done in the first place.

    But that's just my experience. There are some okay folks there too, people who want to understand you and want to be understood, and don't just ram their ideological mantra in your face - I just feel they're a minority.
     
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  14. Akratus

    Akratus Bleep bloop.

    May 14, 2011
    It's because social justice is different from feminism. Feminism doesn't get you anywhere any more in the public space. There's always people looking for that thing they can throw out there and start debates with on a social moral high ground, swing their ego around. That doesn't say anything about the ideology itself, it happens with every set of ideas.

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  15. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
  16. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    Equal pay etc. is ok IMO. When they start to talk about feminist mathematics and stuff like that, I get a bit confused.
     
  17. Buxbaum666

    Buxbaum666 Heterostructured Nanorod oTO Orderite

    Dec 5, 2003
  18. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Ah the world of sexism, where calling feminists nazi like creatures is seen as sexist for being sexist and calling other people sexist nuts for being sexist to sexist people is also sexist.
     
  19. DVL

    DVL Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Nov 19, 2015
    I'm tired of hearing about feminists, discussions about feminists or SJW's simply because I don't deal with them in my day-to-day life.
    I don't dispute that bat-shit insane extremists and opportunists exist, but these days it seems like the discussion about them is disproportional to its actual importance to my life.
     
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  20. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    If you're a male, then ... when was it ever really important to your life?