Feminism and why it's bad.

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Beaushizzle, Sep 20, 2015.

  1. Akratus

    Akratus Bleep bloop.

    May 14, 2011
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    Muh progress.
     
  2. DVL

    DVL Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Nov 19, 2015
    According to other supposedly male posters, they're ruining everything.
     
  3. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Because males know so much about it I guess. I get it that there are idiots out there and they belong to all genders. But in which way has feminism ruined something? I never get what people mean with that. Do they know what that word even means? It ruined my life! They ruin everything! They ruined xyz for us!
     
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  4. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    One thing is cloud-yelling at feminism, in general
    Another is cloud-yelling at video-games and feminism. The whole video game debate is like... you turn towards your playstation - and the debate becomes slightly, slightly relevant, more like a buzzing noise. You turn away, and it's gone. Turn back, and it's there - turn away, and it's gone.

    I hope someone starts a feminism gambling app debate.
    I've seen some gambling app ads directed more at women than at men, catering at women stuff, female superiority, in one theres even a woman who knows more about sports than a man, yeah right, as if - Gambling app ad feminism debate GO!
     
  5. DVL

    DVL Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Nov 19, 2015
    I'm glad I'm not the only person who feels that way, except it's not my games anymore. It's managed to seep into everything on the internet.
    Atheism and religion discussions? Yep.
    Cartoons? Yep.

    Heck, even that video about Norah Vincent somebody posted way up there, while interesting, was titled in an unfair way. She "chose female privilege"? What. No she didn't. She found out men have problems and offered no commentary about whether those problems were better or worse to have. Dafuq guys. You don't have to make everything about this gender issues thing as inflammatory as possible.

    Politics, religion and gender - I suppose.
     
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  6. Moosick

    Moosick cats

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    Jul 8, 2015
    well they fit neatly together. it's much less an issue of feminism being in other fields of discussion (see: de Beauvoir) as it can meld in perfectly reasonably and with a great contribution to make (especially considering that when religious discussions are near, morality is but a step away). its more the militancy and christian-style rhetoric used that makes it a problem. things like gender as a phenotype, deconstructions of the sex binary etc - these things have been reasoned and evidenced for a loooong time, it's just that none of the aforementioned authoritarians have read any of the writings because they are, fittingly, the useful idiots. It's much less an issue of theory and much more one of discourse.

    Not that I feel that games have really been infected or whatever. markets cave to consumer want, and also exploit it. You had the water-loving titty lady in MGS5, you have people like edmund mcmillen making games like Cunt and BOI. Oppositely you get games like Portal where there are pretty much only women but it feels totally natural. It's nice to see stronger, less tropey female characters with depth and plot roles, something which I have found very lacking in the past. For some reason some people feel that tokenism is satisfactory in their fight for representation and that only damages their cause further in the grand scheme
     
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  7. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    "less tropey".

    Please, stop using the word trope altogether. What before was a perfectly neutral word to describe forms of speec and communication patterns has now become a smart sounding synonym for cliche thanks to some less than informed talking heads. Everything has tropes, stop spreading the misuse of the word. Thank you.
     
  8. Moosick

    Moosick cats

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    Jul 8, 2015
    While I see your point,

    "The word trope has also come to be used for describing commonly recurring literary and rhetorical devices,[2] motifs or clichés in creative works." (shitty wikipedia search result)
    "A significant or recurrent theme; a motif" (oxford dictionary)

    I can only apologise for being raised in a generation/setting where the word was treated with this meaning (cliche in particular) as opposed to the traditional one :shrug: Arguing for its total eradication, particularly on an individual level, is absurd, especially now that I know its traditional use.
     
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  9. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    So in my old university town one of those hip Rockabilly-style barber shops/clubs exclusively for men has opened up. And of course the shop and owner's car got vandalised repeatedly because, dunno, gender-exclusive establishments are only allowed for women.
     
  10. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Or gay dudes.
     
  11. Buxbaum666

    Buxbaum666 Heterostructured Nanorod oTO Orderite

    Dec 5, 2003
    Why is it exclusively for men?
     
  12. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Because dudes need a man's refugee.
     
  13. Akratus

    Akratus Bleep bloop.

    May 14, 2011
    Yeah I don't think it's fair that they don't shave the women as well.
     
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  14. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Do women grow beards?
     
  15. ZigzagPX4

    ZigzagPX4 The Swiftness of the Ranger

    Nov 22, 2015
    why is this topic still going on
     
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  16. Akratus

    Akratus Bleep bloop.

    May 14, 2011
    Because people have become entrenched on a side of the debate. It's all the fault of the liberals!
     
  17. Moosick

    Moosick cats

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    Jul 8, 2015
    sssh. don't talk. ​just watch.
     
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  18. Buxbaum666

    Buxbaum666 Heterostructured Nanorod oTO Orderite

    Dec 5, 2003
    Some do. Do barbers only do beards? Can barbers only cut men's hair? Is female hair too delicate?
     
  19. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Because he's a barber who got tired of the endless gossip he had to endure in his old place, and since these old-school barber clubs are kind of en vogue (turns out men also like a "safe space" from time to time) he opened up a shop for men.
    It's supposed to be different than the usual hairdresser (of which there are several that are exclusively for women, but nobody would ask why those exist). In many hairsaloons the barber-talk is incredibly boring/annoying to many men (at best), and men are a sort of an unwanted addition, anyway. That leads to long waits and an unpersonal, bad cut between longer dyeing sessions.
    I don't get why such a thing actually angers some people. It's just a specialised barber who wants to create a special atmosphere. It's just a fun place for some men (not even all) to relax and unwind a tiny bit. And those barbers actually report that it's very often wives and girlfriends who book a spot or buy a gift certificate for the shop.
    Why are some people against that?
     
  20. Buxbaum666

    Buxbaum666 Heterostructured Nanorod oTO Orderite

    Dec 5, 2003
    Probably because it perpetuates gender stereotypes. Opposed to men, women gossip endlessly, need to have meaningless talks with their hairdresser and disturb the special atmosphere that can only exist between manly men.
    It doesn't anger me and I don't condone vandalism but I can see why people are having issues with it.

    I would ask. Single-sex hairdressers are silly no matter what.

    That's why you make an appointment. And if I'm not satisfied with the hair cut or the service, I switch hairdressers. It's not like they're rare.