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Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by LoneSpektre, May 6, 2012.
Picking the lesser of two evils? I just play Fallout 1 instead.
Both. I like to play depending on how I'm feeling, capitol wasteland or mojave desert - both give me positive feelings at different times.
Hey, you stole MY opinion !...
fo 3 i found to have a brilliant starting experience growing up in the vault, treuly unique i found and nice storyline , the story just felt rushed at the end dow. to much stuff they tried to add. they could have made brotherhood of steel an addon with more time for main story.
new vegas had a rough start with silly tutorial town and i didnt like the vegas setting at all, cmon its the apocalypse, not bloody vegas
It's not the apocalypse, it's been over 200 years since then, things change and get better.
One of the big inconsistencies Bethesda made when they created Fallout 3 is creating a setting that is still a disaster are even two centuries after the 'final' War happened.
In Fallout 1 it could be explained as it had only been eighty years after the great War, communities that had previously only focused on their own survival and not exploration or making contact with other only now started to venture out again, rediscovering the world and setting up trade lanes and communication lanes with each other for personal and mutual benefit.
Because of that eighty years later communities had grown and developed much more, more reflecting a world that is slowly reborn than a place where people barely can hold on to life.
Bethesda has recreated the setting in what I feel is a grim dark one, there is no development of settlements and societies because they want to keep the world in a perpetual dark age as they think that that is what Falllout is all about, not taking notice of how real world history plays.
Even the dark ages despite the loss of much knowledge was not a complete pool of ignorance.
Furthermore Bethesda is also quite inconsistent and contradicts itself on various occasions.
Why would for example a person set himself up as a DJ in a radio station that for some reason apparently still has working radio equipment and power for that matter and start making broadcasts while he doesn't even seem to have access to the basic necessities of life such as food and water.
Does someone give or pay him for what he does? And why?
You realize, that no one has pure water in Capital Wasteland?
Without mentioning food... People of Megaton propably ate another nuclear bomb.
Man... I know. I'm one of those old fallout fanboy.
There is no diffrence for Three Dog if he is at GNR or Megaton.
But that was an inconsistency with the rest of the series caused by Bethesda. For some reason, all the water was irradiated, which dosen't make sense at all. This isn't present in the other games.
New Vegas hands down. I felt Fallout 3's map was generally pretty boring to explore, and it all looked the same. I felt like 3 had no where to really go, you can go to Rivett city, or Megaton to go buy stuff. Plus Fo3 just gets...
I hate re-making a character on 3, because I hate how long it takes to get outside. I know it doesn't take THAT long, but compared to New Vegas or the classics, it's pretty long. I don't want to spend my time going through the vault smacking radroaches with a police baton. Plus it kind of annoyed me how basic and dulled down fallout 3 dialogue was compared to the others. Also the game was a cake walk.
New Vegas I felt was done alot better, as the story intrigued me more then "Go rescue daddy and stop the enclave because they're bad guys". The gameplay felt a lot more fresh, and I liked the overall scenery more. Plus, I felt like the guns in NV were more varied. And the rounds were cool too. I liked how they brought back some of the older factions, too. Also I'm a sucker for westerns, so this pulled me right in.
Also I'm glad the BoS weren't good guys. All the factions have their own upsides and downsides(major factions that is).
Except I still miss Rotgut and Gamma Gulp ;~;
For me, the Capital Wasteland was a better place to be than New Vegas. In every other aspect though, NV was the better game.
Mods really have made Fo3 a great game. Vanilla was average/good and a great dissapointment for me.
That is becoming more and more common. Soon games will just be half baked and the communities will be left to fix them.
Might just be me but a post appocalyptic world would probably haver a lot of so called raiders so for me that is no problem.
And the people just "standing around"? In new vegas the it's basicly the same except the caranvans are un named. Alltho the gun runners got their factory!
Most locations in NV had a few "animals" or viper/legion guys sitting around. Nothing of interesst at all! For example there are 3 abandoned shacks that actually counts as locations!.. REALLY!?
But i must addmit that the linearity makes the game worse than it could have been.
So the uppcoming games will never focus on the time pre fallout 2 - Pre F3? Thank god you know everything about the upcoming games
Same goes for NV except some of those buildigs didn't even give you stims!
Some people might.. You know.. die? Or being forced out due to location ex raiders and such? And a big city is better guarded vs those kinds of problems.
This is probably the best answer so far except that F2 was flawed to!
Both or actually all Fallout games where easy. The "hardest" was probably tactics for me due to real time and OP mutants with heavy weapons.. In NV you can get yourself a silenced sniper and take out whatever you feel like. And due to the lack of hard enemies the only really hard enemies will die in a sneak hit from AMR and if they happened to survive they will die in the next shoot.
NMA brings love to the was.. web!
There could be a difference in the area. DC is under constant attack from mutans and from what i understand by the lore it was heavely nuked. Not to mention the talon company and the huge ammount of raiders. Those "things" could cripple the advancement quite well.
/predjudice mode on! For example we live in the 2xxx and yet there are people living in huts in Africa! This can't be true!
Also 3 dogs place is a resting stop for the brotherhood and they protect him and are resposible for his needs i guess?
They do have pure water but not enought
Make a "new game" save before you exit the vault.. Profit! Or get FWE mod to imrpove the game and let you start right of the bat.
And i do agree that NV got a better main quest but it's still a bad concept. "That guy shot you in the head! Go to the strip and kick his ass!". Could have been made better to!
For me i'd say new vegas was better vanilla mode. But Fallout 3 got several awesome mods that added most of the things i missed from new vegas with the exception of the crappy quests and dialouges.
New vegas for vanilla play.
Fallout 3 for moded play.
didnt fix the story though, which is the problem.
Ehr, 200 years has gone from the apocalypsis. Raiders can't live of air. If there is noone to raid, they can't raid. I think it's basic logics...
It makes sense 200 years after industry died in the war, items from before the war, which happen to be consumable, tend to be few.
Anyway, I wouldn't like to inject myself with a 200 years old medicine.
A short distance from Megaton there is a complex of houses, IIRC, and there is Silver alive and safe there.
The fact Fallout 2 was flawed too doesn't invalidate the fact it's a far better game than Fallout 3.
Why would the BoS care about 3 dog, for gods sake?!
And the constant attacks from the mutants ARE A PLOTHOLE ITSELF!
There is no communities to raid, what the fuck do so many raiders do for a living? Selling life insurances??
I don't really get how do they define their priorities. They've got electric light everywhere, radios working, etc. But they took 200 years to figure out they need water to survive.
Also, where do that pure water came from? Because I don't think they can live 200 goddamned years with pre-war supplies. And drinking radiated water, all survivors in DC should be ghouls by the game's time.
Ohh lord.. Time for some bashing because people can't think for a second before posting.
And yet you can swim in stimpacks in New vegas to and instead of stims you find old food/medicine bags.. And they are all fine!
A sinlge junkie is hiding from her old boss not far from raiders.. Perfect spot for any normal person!
The fact that vanilla F3 is worse doesn't mean that vanilla F2 is awesome. And before you ask i do like F2 but i'm not blinded by fanboyism.
He is basicly kissing so much ass that people are trying to help the BOS and most important they are trying to join the BOS. If they where close to unknown how would they get people? Correct me if i'm wrong but in the game they said that they are running low on recruits.
And of course there are not a single non raider settlement in the entire DC. Megaton/Rivertcirty/Canterbury Commons are not settlements.. They are just an illusion!
Edit: Taken from another post of yours!
I bolded the biggest problem with this community! So it's not just you!
Makta, I see you're expert in Fo3 Lore.
Explain me, how Little lamplight still have only childrens 200 years after great war?
I'm not an expert on lore but the lore things im pointing out have been posted several times before or if you don't just rush trough the game will be given to you one way or another. And infact due to that i know quite a lot about just LL but not where the kids comes from since it was not mentioned or i havent found the information yet.
I knew it !
I do think before posting, but thanks for your suggestion.
I didn't say NV was better about that. I just say it makes no sense in either game that there are lots of stimpaks and old consumables everywhere.
A single junkie who is stupid enough to be more affraid of her old boss than of raiders can manage to survive there, any thinking person can.
First, I can't agree on discussing about modded games. First, because I didn't gave them a shot, so I would be pretty unfair criticizing the modded F3.
Second, I'm not blinded by fanboyism. I actually enjoyed F3, I was even introduced to the series through F3, so I wouldn't even looked for the previous games if I didn't like F3.
About vanilla F2. I love the game, but I'm not unable to see its several flaws. It DO breaks the atmosphere with that many pop culture references and easter eggs, to name one failure plotwise. I enjoyed them, I really liked them, but they're silly and pointless.
About comparing both games, I'm always comparing vanilla against vanilla, since I didn't play modded F3. And vanilla versus vanilla, F2 wins by far, IMO. I didn't call F3 a shitty game, though, because I don't think it is. I do consider it a poor Fallout game, because of many plot issues (I'm more interested in games's plots than most of the other factors, so I might be biased by that fact)
They're low on recruits, but they say they keep with their closed doors policy. So, pointless propaganda, since they wouldn't work with wastelanders anyway.
I'm pretty sure they do raid too often the isolated ship
Anyway, you're right, I exaggerated the "no settlements" thing. Which I mean is that there are TOO MANY raiders. Also, they don't seem to produce anything they can live from, so the point stands, with the little correction of "no productive communities".
Just think about it. There is thousands and thousand of raiders, who manage to survive by raiding only hundreds of people who barely survive themselves. Don't you think the surplus that little communities produce must be really huge to provide for that many raiders?
Second, I can't speak for the rest of the community, since I'm new here (and also, I wouldn't speak for others even if I really know them). I do pay attention to what is written, I just can't recall all the facts all the time.
When mom loves dad too much...
I quoted several things but as i was about to post the site got updated somehow removing everything i wrote so i will 1.2.3. everything now instead
1. A single person is harder to find than a settlement. And there is only 2 working houses with her included.
2. The BOS got a member from the pit and several initiates like Reddin and Jennings alltho there passt is never mentioned i think? You are thinking of New vegas/Fallout 1 BOS.
3. They don't have to raid the ship when there are caravans going all around the wasteland. And the raiders aren't 10x as many as the settlers/wastelanders.
4. "I do pay attention to what is written, I just can't recall all the facts all the time." = I don't know if what i'm saying is right but i will use it to prove a point.. Not the brightest idea huh?
Stork >.. Learn basic's!