Horrible BoS armor design

Discussion in 'Fallout 3 Discussion' started by bonanza, Apr 30, 2013.

  1. bonanza

    bonanza It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    May 1, 2006
    What did Bethesda think when they designed their vision of the Brotherhood of Steel armor? The whole thing looks almost like a parody, all the proportions are completely off and instead of being menacing the "face" of the helmet has that retarded look about it.

    Worst of all however, Beth didn't really get the purpose of Fallout's combat armor. It is supposed to be a sealed off, completely air tight, self-contained system that protects the wearer from almost all toxic outside influences like radiation, contaminated air, gas and biological threats.

    In Fallout 3, the BoS armor looks like it was made from random peaces of metal that are attached individually to the wearer and hold together by straps and strings, barely fitting to each other - more like a medieval knight's armor than a super advanced, high precision peace of technology it originally was meant to be.

    :freak:
     
  2. Tagaziel

    Tagaziel Panzerkatze Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Dec 10, 2003
    It's an older, more primitive version of the T-51b. Which is pretty damn clunky too, with its tin man appearance and all.
     
  3. bonanza

    bonanza It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    I dunno, you get a pretty good look at two soldiers in Power Armor in the Fallout 1 intro, and it doesn't look all that clunky there. Massive and heavy, yes, but actually rather smooth and shiny, just like the ingame art in Fallout 1 and 2.

    The version in Fallout 3 must be waaay more primitive indeed, it looks like it was made out of a bunch of wielded together garbage cans.
     
  4. CthuluIsSpy

    CthuluIsSpy A Smooth-Skin

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    The BoS members in FO1 and 2 were using the T-51 models of Powered Armor. The chapters in the capital wasteland were forced to use the more primitive T-45b armor, due to their isolation from the main BoS chapters. They probably used bits of scrap to repair them as well.
     
  5. bonanza

    bonanza It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    May 1, 2006
    I guess I can buy that from an ingame logic point of view, still doesn't explain why Bethesda felt the need to replace the cool Power Armor from the first Fallout games with their own rather retarded looking design.

    Even if we accept that Fallout 3's Power Armor is an earlier, more primitive version, the Beth artists still did an amazingly bad job at designing it.
     
  6. BonusWaffle

    BonusWaffle Still Mildly Glowing

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    Mar 6, 2013
    aside from the shoulder pads I think its pretty cool. Never understood fallouts obsession with giant shoulder pads.
     
  7. CthuluIsSpy

    CthuluIsSpy A Smooth-Skin

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    Well, I guess its because the T-45b was more common in the DC area.
    There was a stash of military hardware in the pentagon, after all.

    Pity they don't explain that in game :/
     
  8. bonanza

    bonanza It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    May 1, 2006
    Fun fact: As a kid I would often draw fantasy pictures of Barbarians and Paladins and stuff like that when bored in school. I would always start with drawing huge, baloon-sized shoulder pads and a tiny head in between them and only then add the rest of the elemens (torso, arms, legs etc).

    Somebody should do a master thesis in psychology about adolescent males' obsession with giant shoulder pads.
     
  9. pyroD

    pyroD Still Mildly Glowing

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    You know when you think about it, the T-51 shoulder pads are even bigger. But they actually look like shoulder "pads". The other ones seem more like plates.
     
  10. bonanza

    bonanza It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    May 1, 2006
    I like your nick name pyroD :twisted:
     
  11. pyroD

    pyroD Still Mildly Glowing

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    Aug 26, 2012
    Oh haha thanks I guess.
     
  12. Ghost_Machine_011001

    Ghost_Machine_011001 First time out of the vault

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    Jan 26, 2013
    Funny. If the Pentagon was also part military armory, then wouldn't they take the good, updated armor and NOT the shitty 1st-gen model armor? And if DC is the capitol of the US and requires a strong self-supportive defense from any form warfare, then wouldn't the Pre-War Government had taken initiative better and add more better top-grade weapons and armor to their defense lines, like with T-51b armor?
    What a way to lob logic out of the window.
     
  13. CthuluIsSpy

    CthuluIsSpy A Smooth-Skin

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    And that is why beth shouldn't write.
     
  14. Lexx

    Lexx Background Radiant
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    Apr 24, 2005
    Even if it is or is not a stash of military equipment, I find the new power armor to be totally ueless from a "has to exist" point of view. I mean, I don't get why they had to redesign so many elements of the original games anyway. The 10mm pistol, the SMG, the "combat shotgun" and all the armors... They proved that they are able to recreate original assets, because they added a (slightly different but close enough) T-51b power armor into the game. So why the need to replace everything else? That's super annoying.
     
  15. Tagaziel

    Tagaziel Panzerkatze Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Dec 10, 2003
    There is no real source for the Pentagon being an armory. It comes from a pre-release blog post by Emil, which is not corroborated by any in-game evidence. In fact, it's explicitly contradicted by the game. Facts Emil brings up are never referenced in the game at all.
     
  16. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 27, 2003
    Its simple to to understand why Beth made the old armor the way they did.

    Oblivion/Morrowqind with guns.

    Beth is pretty good at fanatasy hence thats why the BoS 'Paladins', are more like paladins of fantasy than in the original games. Same with the armor. It looks like a suit of full platemail than an actual piece of technological armor and one of the many reasons why Beth shouldn't have even touched Fallout.

    They simply don't give a shit about whats Fallout and what is not.
     
  17. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    same reason why they made a completely new design for the Vault door even if there was no reason for it.

    Because they can.
     
  18. Wintermind

    Wintermind Vault Senior Citizen

    Jan 21, 2011
    to make it 'theirs' clearly
     
  19. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 10, 2011
    Eh, I think it looks fine. If you want to nitpick about stylistic changes then stuff like the Super Mutants and ghouls are far better candidates.
     
  20. bonanza

    bonanza It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    May 1, 2006
    Fully agreed.

    btw I declare this thread a major success!! Didn't think it would provoke so many answers and spark such an interesting discussion. Thanks everybody . :)