I HATE San Francisco in Fallout 2

Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by Lanius, Jul 13, 2013.

  1. Matthews

    Matthews It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Aug 29, 2012
    It is randomized, I've seen both SF armourvendors sell various amounts of power armour (usually between 1-3, but as many as 4-5 at times) somewhat early and at times depending on your cashlevel (seeing as I run around with gambling as perk, I get loads of cash rather early and thus equip my NPCs faster).
  2. Makta

    Makta The DICKtator

    Jul 29, 2010
    Sadly if they didn't sell PA i would be running around with a fortune and having nothing to spend it on when i reached NCR "ish".. If i play F2 again i should really find a mod that makes stuff rare or more expensive >>
  3. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Alpharius oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010
    Languorous_Maiar, those were fair arguments, mostly, but I have to retort on several segments.

    Aside from your slightly annoying tone, this piece is good, but...

    SF is a major trade post...telling it is not is bullshit and illogical, considering the lore of SF is all wrong in the first place. They have traders and amazing amount of technology of resources, a logical conclusion would be that they do trade and scavenge technology from various other places. They may not be a most appealing bunch, but that never prevented trade, and they had to open up trade routes sooner or later. Given that major caravan enterprises come from NCR and the fact that they're geographically close, yes, I say NCR, or at least some percent of its citizens know about Shi and San Fran.

    Oil Rig was far of coast, out in the open sea. Common people don't go there. There was no way for them to know about Oil Rig (putting aside the fact that it was a secret).

    And why should they?

    "Hey, our main station is blown-up."
    "Oh, it's gotta be those yellow-skinned guys down in San Fran."
    "Sure are, boss. What to we do about them?"
    "Nuke 'em. Only way to be sure."


    Also, nukes. Where from?

    Van Buren is absolutely unofficial. Although I appreciate the stream of ideas coming from that title, assuming that something is happening in the official lore because it was planned some time (a long time) in the past is wrong.

    In the end, I appreciate your input on the whole situation of San Fran, and I actually wouldn't absolutely dismiss it as unrealistic, but it's still complete fan fiction.
  4. Languorous_Maiar

    Languorous_Maiar A Smooth-Skin

    Oct 25, 2011
    It's true, but some pretty easy counterargument to you.
    They are not saying anything about that place even if it exist.
    How you would explain that?
    I mean, NCR could buy gauss rifles, energy weapons and the most important, WORKING power armors. But not, we got nothing like that from SF, also, any mention of them. So, possibility of them being nuked is 50%/50% in such situation.

    Tanker came from SF and then went back to SF.

    Another place like Divide?
    I mean, they had "key" to use all the arsenal, so I'm sure they have other silos somewhere.

    Btw. and important note from me.
    If SF get nuked, it's completely logical and canon friendly, because it has to happen in Van Buren. You can doubt that Enclave haven't additional nuclear weapons if designers of FO2 said so.

    It would be like saying, that something what happened in FO2 isn't true.

    But we propably poorly understood each other.
    Because I was confirming VB facts (not Fallout canon lore) by those arguments from this and previous posts.
    As for canonical SF, fifty-fifty.
  5. Per

    Per Vault Consort Staff Member Admin

    Apr 1, 2004
    Technically the oil rig didn't get nuked; it suffered a reactor meltdown, which is, or at least should be, very different.
  6. Mohamed2001

    Mohamed2001 HATE NEWSPAPERS

    Jan 28, 2013
    Internal Sabotage.
  7. Languorous_Maiar

    Languorous_Maiar A Smooth-Skin

    Oct 25, 2011
    You're true, but even Marcus is using term "nuked" when it comes to Oil Rig. You know, some sort of synonym.
  8. Vice Gray

    Vice Gray First time out of the vault

    Jun 11, 2013
    Was he talking about the mushroom cloud in the outro?
  9. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Alpharius oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010

    All right then, I think we can put this to the conclusion.

    Not that I fully agree with you, and I still think I could put forward a counter argument or two, but I don't see a reason to. I see your point, even though I don't agree with it. Nice talking to you.

    Regardless, I think San Francisco is poorly designed, and is, like many aspects of FO2, a great source of confusion.