I'd support Ceasars Legion except [Insert answer here]

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by Felspawn, Jun 29, 2011.

  1. Felspawn

    Felspawn It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Nov 15, 2010
    Aside from megagaming reasons like the fact that you sacrifice tons of side quests if u side with the legion i find myself unable to side with them for moral reasons. its a shame to as there have been plenty of times ive contemplated a Caesars play though. Hell in some cases i could see them being a better option then house and the NCR, less inclined to repeat the mistakes of the past. the main reason i cant seem to support them (and this is just me personally) is their treatment of women as cattle. I can get over the slavery aspect, the lack of tech aspect, etc but watching women being treated like dirt just doesn't sit well with me.

    What bout the rest of you, any particular reason why you don't support them, or hell even WHY u support them, as the answer to bringing civilization back to the Mojave
     
  2. James Snowscoran

    James Snowscoran Still Mildly Glowing

    218
    Jun 1, 2011
    I'm just going to quote Vulpes Inculta here: Where to begin?

    Even if the Legion had discarded slavery and discrimination of women, it would still just be a typical empire of conquest with no clear rules of succession, based on uniting a staggering 86(?) different tribes. Regardless of the events of NV, it will probably begin falling apart within a few generations, if not immediately following Caesar's death.
     
  3. Horus9k

    Horus9k It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jun 29, 2011
    Caesar never bothered instituting a rule of succession because his Legion was in its first (or perhaps second) stage of evolution. He predicted that he would live long enough to push into the NCR proper and take Shady Sands, in so doing creating his 'synthesis.'

    We have to keep in mind that the Legion we see is a small fraction of what it is to the east. In fact we don't really see much of Caesar's society beyond his warriors, which are a poor example at any rate. According to the documentation we have, there is an operating religion, trade network and large civilian/non-slave population.
     
  4. Mr Krepe

    Mr Krepe Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Mar 28, 2010
    Well, I used to think the reason I didn't side with the Legion is because I prefer NCR. But really, on my second playthrough as Yes Man, I realised that the only reason I don't side with them is because of the lack of depth, and of course side quests, but that is not the point. The lack of depth in the Legion is the only aspect of New Vegas which to me is half-full/empty, as there are little to no Legion quests/settlements in comparison to the mighty amount of NCR. Really it's like comparing the detailed first stage of development, then the rushed as the sale date closes in second half, if you get the picture.
     
  5. The Enclave 86

    The Enclave 86 Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    394
    Jul 5, 2010
    Actually people, kill Caesar with Boone and then talk to Boone again; he says that NCR intelligence believes Caesar to have a full line of succession in case of his death and that he has already delegated most of the military matters of the Legion over the Lanius.
     
  6. Silas

    Silas First time out of the vault

    36
    Jun 28, 2011
    I'd support Ceasars Legion but i don't because of quite a few reasons:

    -unbeliveable lack of Legion towns or settlements

    -it would mean cutting off a lot of side quests

    -it makes it hard to move and progress through the wastes because most of the towns are somehow related to NCR, protected by them, etc.

    -there are very few upsides to siding with legion, probably the most valuable one being the ability to obtain Lucky Shades, that says alot

    -you gotta destroy the BoS and thus lose a great vendor, an awesome settlement, and an entire faction

    -they are fascist, wich makes me wanna slide Chance's Knife across their necks

    -they support class hierarchy and misogyny in their society, wich makes me wanna.........see the line above

    -they remind me of far right politicians in my country, wich makes me wanna..........

    -they got no knee pads on most of their armors, wich for some reason pisses me off, too much pro wrestling i guess.



    Oh boy, i think it's time to pay another visit to the Fort.
     
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  7. Public

    Public Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    May 18, 2006
    I'd support Ceasars Legion except if they weren't called Ceasars Legion.
     
  8. shihonage

    shihonage Made in USSR

    May 8, 2007
    They were really the only faction I'd side with, for the same reason why I'd blow up Megaton.

    I dislike retard NPCs in Fallout 3, and to only slightly lesser degree dislike their blathering cousins in New Vegas, and I strive to see them all destroyed, at any cost.
     
  9. Ilosar

    Ilosar Vault Fossil

    Apr 20, 2010
    Ooooh boy.

    -Slavery

    -Skirts

    -Sexism

    -Skirts

    -Only capable of conquest and war (it is said the States under them are safe, but from what we saw the only way I could foresee Legion rule is permanent martial law and any lawbreaker being tortured and/or killed).

    -Skirts

    -Dismissing technology; I want my shiny toys.

    -Skirts

    -Generally being populated by assholes

    -Skirts

    -The Great Ceasar (yeah right)'s Great Successor is an addled, crazed psychopath who destroys anything in his way. Yeah, you totally got the Roman thing going Lanius, you build an empire by burning any valuable resources.

    -Skirts

    -An slave mob with machetes should have no chances in hell against a trained army with guns and a special force that's amongst the most badass people in the Wastes (Rangers), especially in a desert.

    -And for good measure, those goddamn skirts.
     
  10. Wintermind

    Wintermind Vault Senior Citizen

    Jan 21, 2011
    Man, what do you have against skirts?
     
  11. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes
    Orderite

    Apr 10, 2011
    They're not skirts they're kilts! :oops:
     
  12. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Only real men can wear kilts and not feel embarrased.
     
  13. whirlingdervish

    whirlingdervish Brahmin Cavalry Commander

    Jul 3, 2007
    kilts should reach the knee, by law, and not have tighty whities underneath them.

    They impair the testicular ventilation effect.
     
  14. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Real mean wear mini kilts without embarrasment?
     
  15. Surf Solar

    Surf Solar So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Aug 20, 2009
    I don't side with them for their horribly inane background and attire.
     
  16. James Snowscoran

    James Snowscoran Still Mildly Glowing

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    Jun 1, 2011
    This is all fine and dandy, but a line of succession isn't all that useful unless it's actually made public. Lanius is the obvious candidate to succeed Caesar, but who comes after him is less clear- and in 3 of the 4 endings, Lanius will either be slain outright or be forced to retreat in disgrace. Remember what happened to the last Legate who lost a battle at Hoover Dam?

    Even if Lanius should successfully assume control of the Legion following Caesar's death, it's worth recalling that he is not half the leader Caesar was. Caesar was a shrewd genius with an excellent education in linguistics, anthropology and history. Lanius' background is as a tribal berserker warrior who slew 15 of his tribesmen in a fit of rage when he discovered the chief had surrendered to Caesar. He doesn't inspire loyalty, and if the Legion doesn't fall apart under his rule it probably will when he dies and a new succession crisis presents itself. Bottom line, the Legion just doesn't have the institutions to survive as a political entity without a great leader like Caesar at the helm.

    The Legion's structure is militaristic to the core and always has been. The Legion has been able to keep the army supplied with armaments and supplies even while campaigning far from its core areas. But given the tribal nature of the populace, the lack of emphasis on education and technology and the poor state of infrastructure, this has almost certainly tapped all the skilled labour and administrative talent available, and still probably leaves a lot to be desired- especially considering women are probably prohibited from performing any tasks with any real responsibility or authority. The remaining civilian populace probably subsists in a quite primitive fashion, struggling to meet the Legion's demand for manpower and goods. The religion is a cult of personality worshipping Caesar as the son of Mars, further adding to the problems that will arise upon his death.
     
  17. Quagmire69

    Quagmire69 Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Mar 17, 2011
    I'd side with the Legion if they had more missions and did'nt have me the guy giving me 2000 caps for snowglobes while only giving me a special machete in return.
     
  18. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes
    Orderite

    Apr 10, 2011
    I did side with the Legion on my first playthrough, although mainly because I'd already pissed off the NCR enough to know I couldn't side with them. I almost pissed off the Legion too by doing the Van Graff's quest and siding with Cachino in that quest, people kept keeping it a secret that what I was doing would piss off the Legion until after I'd already done it. Not to mention that my medicine wasn't high enough to save Caesar's life which left Lanius in control of Vegas.

    I really fucked Vegas up that first game.

    Edit: And the last line Ron Perlman said in the closing slide was about Cass dying which really made me feel like a douche, even though I didn't know Jean Baptiste wanted to kill her when I brought her in.
     
  19. The Enclave 86

    The Enclave 86 Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    394
    Jul 5, 2010
    What? You really didn't know his intentions.
     
  20. James Snowscoran

    James Snowscoran Still Mildly Glowing

    218
    Jun 1, 2011
    You still have the option of taking her side at that point though, right? It's not an option with a high chance of survival, but hey.