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Discussion in 'Fallout 3 Discussion' started by midshipman01, Nov 12, 2008.
removing the Fallout from fallout 3 is not really that much work I suppose
Why all the hate?
I guess it was in the wrong forum. This does deserve a new topic though, i consolidated all of the complaints about Fallout 3 into one topic and then offered my rebuttle...
besides, it took like ten minutes to write, its not in all caps or flaming, and its not like its going to hurt anything, be nice admins. >.<
It's really absurd....
First of all, i can't believe some people here are bitching about wooden houses lasting 300 years, electronic equipment running just fine, and generatings running lights/ect.
Sure that isn't realistic. Mindless zombies aren't exactly the most realistic thing in the world either.... get over yourself.
GTA4 tried realism and it just ended up being a steaming pile of blah. (i know, not the same genre but...)
Besides, there are a number of things for you haters to consider.
1. This time, the game is set in Washington D.C. The North East is the most populated area in the united states. When the bombs fell it makes sense that a lot of people would have wanted to travel to D.C. where our center of government is. The fact that Washington D.C. is more populated that the old western vault system is realistic. There are simply more people living there in r/l.
2. A lot of people claim that the knights are too well armed, especially when just 100 years ago they couldn't even protect themselves. A long these same lines a lot of people where the 'stash' of weapons came from. Well, 100 years is a long time. The knights, during that time must have worked their way from west to east towards D.C. In the mean time they grew in numbers and gained a great deal of expertese. I'm sure they ran across a few army bases along the way. It's not that far fetched to assume they found some stashes of armorments. There are a lot of weapons in the world.
3. As far as vault-tec head quarters supercomputer, if vault-tec was preparing for the worst its reasonable to assume they developed their computers with redundancies which would enable them to run for an extended amount of time.
4. Who knows what the generators are running on. This is the future were talking about here people. They could be nuclear powered generators, (and the eletricity for buildings could also come from "special" generators), in which case their power supply could last for several hundred years. As far as the bulbs, we are perfectly capable of making bulbs that last forever now, but we choose not too, perhaps in the future that changes.
Some of this stuff is far fetched i know, but its in the relm of realistic possibility.
The dialogue is OK, even if it is reduntant sometimes. I mean, its not going to win awards but it doens't distract from the game.
This game makes you "feel" something, or at least it did me. It seems a lot of people here are trying to break the game, rather than enjoy it. I heard about that mesmatron bug thing @ tenpenny tower. I reckon if you try to break something, it will break. Congratulations....
On the other hand, when i found tenpenny tower i heard the goul asking to get in saying that he had a lot of caps. I decided i wanted those caps, so i killed him. I was dissapointed that he didn't have the caps on him... but he could have been lying about the caps or maybe he didn't bring them with him. So i went inside tenpenny tower and talked with all the people living there about the goul and they said they were afraid of them so i went down to talk to the gouls. However, because i had already killed thier leader they were angry with me and immediately began shooting at me, so naturally i had to kill them. While i was walking around i met this lady goul who had explained how people used to love her, and that she used to be beautiful, and when i told her tenpenny sent me to kill her, she looked startled and asked me not to kill her and i told her i wouldn't... then walked away and realized that i had to kill her. When i came back she was sleeping and i shot her in the head. I felt bad after that, seriously.
That is one of the many wow moments in the game.
Re: Why all the hate?
No it doesn't.
But instead of removing this one to the Vats, I'll move it into a thread where we're already discussing "why you hatin'".
You have not nearly consolidated all complaints as you claim, you do not give them a fair hearing at all. Also, simple point:
If it all has such simple explanations, why are the explanations stuff you have to make up rather than stuff in the game? You're just guessing, the game actually doesn't offer explanations, which means it's a plothole.
Heh, I hope you're joking. In any case, that's not an argument, and it's not an experience all too many people here share.
Re: Why all the hate?
I got the feeling of apathy and/or frustration each time I talked to someone.
So I guess you are somewhat right on that.
I felt something inside while I was playing this game.
But I realized it was just gas.
It's exactly as Brother None said, if it's so simple why isn't it presented in the game already? You want to know why? Because Bethsoft didn't think of it. They didn't think of a reason at all, to be honest. They thought, well, "Fallout 1 and 2 did all the leg work for us. They set up the world, they give all the older players the explanations they need, all we have to do is appease the other gamers who don't care one way or another." Gamers like you, who are perfectly willing to overlook the clear and blatant laziness that the developers had.
Look to put it simply, I don't think they thought anyone would care. They've stopped marketing to an intelligent demograph, and have switched to selling games to kids, teenagers, and adults who just don't care. They just want to shoot and kill and sneak and lockpick and hack and feel like they won something. They don't care about the details, they say things like
Fallout didn't always have realistic things in it either, that's not the point Qdeathstar. Fallout always had an explanation for the things that were beyond reality. It always tried to tell you why things were out of this world. And issues like power, and houses that look fifty years old, not 200 (not three hundred), it's important to being able to immerse yourself. Part of what made the first Fallout so fantastic was the immersiveness of it for me. I could really live in my characters skin. It was believable that if the world ended in a nuclear battle, and the last dredges of humanity were eeking out some meager existance in the wasteland, and I crawled out of some vault, that the adventure I had would be the adventure that I PERSONALLY would have.
Fallout 3 lacks immersiveness for me because it's just not believable.
I can hear them saying it already... "I just beat Fallout 3!"
Unfortunately it wasn't the kind of beating you take when two evenly matched fighters go at it. It was more the kind of beating you give when, upon finding a homeless guy passed out in a puddle of his own vomit, you proceed to kick him in the ribs with steel toe caps. Sure, you can beat him senseless, but it leaves you feeling shallow and ashamed.
I installed it again, trying to be a trooper, but then I had like a feeling, a mirracle! After few minutes of playing my last save games, I felt this...urge to...exit the game and uninstall it, and get rid of the whole damn fucking game at once!
The truth is, once you've seen the inside of one building, ventured into one subway station, and explored five or six locations on the map, you've then seen everything F3 has to offer anyway.
I'd be so down with that. I got FO3 as an early christmas present and everything I have read is true....
This game is soulless, and designed for retards.
It's a true sign of the times that practically every review is gushing over this POS. Idiocracy, here we come....
Re: Why all the hate?
Yup made me feel stupid. Made me feel like playing FO1 again. Made me feel like booting up Witcher or STALKER. Made me... want me to continue?
All your other points don't offer much explanation. Example: DC got nuked reeeally hard, so people would most likely settle in awhile after the end of the war? etc etc been discussed too much already, point is that there was no effort to implement any of the explanations in the game.
Ausdoerrt, I've already started on Fallout 1 again with a retarded character in homage to Beth.
Have the Witcher ready for another run through as well.
I guess that would leave you with as intelligent conversation topics thats found in FO3.
When gamers have to literally create reasons why something in a game is there without the game itself explaining it then something is broken.
There is simply no rhyme or reason to encounters, quest conclusions, arrrghh the sheer list of monotony and laziness as for attention to detail in this console shooter is absurd.
And any one who can say that the plot dialogue and voice acting in this game deserves a 10/10 over rating really needs to put down the game pad and trying playing a solid game requiring a keyboard.
except much funnier
Beth dialogue at its finest
Tom_Sawyer or just pick up some PS2 game whith much better developed chars, unique animations for different NPCs and more than 6 voice actors (and I hate jrpgs with cheesy plots, but cant deny the obvious)
Hey, I know one JRPG that rocks for the PS1. Suikoden II, that game was kickass
Edit: actually it was for the PSone, how quickly the mind forgets these things when so much time goes by. It was still a pretty awesome game.
I don't care much personaly about turns or izometric view becouse I played real time 1st perspective Vampires Bloodlines and it was kick ass game better than izo turn Arcanum... the game is either good or not no matter of perspective used... problem is the most marketed elements of FO the shooter and graphics are flawed too as Tessera and others pointed so when it's not falout I will play Witcher again for RPGiness and CoD4 for kick ass action (and
much better story too)
But I realy tried untill the bugs ate me at raven rock. I got freezes and crashes regualry after 50h of play and my perks like action boy and ant might stoped to work. Somebody playtested this thing? All those 9/10 revievers never got past megaton me think becouse the first part of the game looks somewhat completed in comparison.
I enjoyed Half Life more than...Civilization, but I would not want Civilization to become FPS just because I like HL more than Civilization.
And I too enjoyed more VtM: Bloodlines than Arcanum, or maybe I ejoyed them equaly...doesn't matter, the same thing as with Civilization and HL. I would never change them.
Correction, Suikoden 2 was on PS1!
The first Suikoden on PS2 was Suikoden 3.
It's funny that you should bring up this series, because seeing Suikoden 5's teeth gnawing attempt at RTS was quite sad.
Another win for progress.
I think only music is doing pretty well these times. Never heard of somoene like Ozzy (Fallout) turning into...Robie Williams (Oblivion)
If you looked at my post, I had already fixed that. I know which system it's for, I own it What's crazy about that game is, you can't even find a copy for less than a hundred bucks.
Suikoden II was the best of the series, in my opinion.