Is the US a shitty place to live?

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Sub-Human, Jun 29, 2015.

  1. SnapSlav

    SnapSlav NMA's local DotA fanatic

    Jul 1, 2012
    To address the original concerns, while acknowledging all the other comments that have been made, but not addressing them: that's all bullshit.

    The news is a REALLY terrible place to get your idea of what it's like in the U.S. Even CNN is horrifically biased, so if you think you're getting a broad and "global" view from any of that, think again. It's not even because they're corporate; just the opposite is the case, in fact. Interest Groups rule the mood of the states, and what they want, goes. That doesn't mean Interest Groups actually control what happens here, however. Just the PERCEPTION of what happens here. The news can sensationalize racism all they want, it won't make it any more or less true than it actually is. It WILL, however, scare the shit out of some people who don't really know what's going on, that's for sure.

    In the past year, there was a death of a black man at the hands of a white cop and the circumstances were dubious, at best. No, a racist white cop did not shoot down an innocent black man in cold blood. That just did not happen. But the NEWS sure made a gigantic issue of it all, and this led to some rioting. Very LOCAL rioting, and these were committed by ruffians and lawbreakers who were just eager for an excuse. Of course, the news made it looks like MORE anti-black overpowering by white police forces, so they just compounded the problem. Then when the topic finally started to settle down, another incident, similar to the first, transpired, and the cycle started all over again.

    But what happened all over the COUNTRY in the past year? Not a whole lot. People just going about their business, mostly. Some people listened to the news and thought "that's terrible" while others thought "this is bullshit", among plenty of other perspectives. Cause this is a very wide ranging place, as far as ideologies are concerned.

    The biggest thing to take into account regarding what to expect in the news from the U.S. is simple: is it within 2 years of a major election? If so, take U.S. news with a HEAVY grain of salt, because it's all going to be blown out of proportion to cater to someone's purposes, and once the election in question is over, whoever won will have won and won't need to shape voter bias anymore, and all the craziness will vanish from the news. It'll still be sensational, of course, so keep your salt at hand. It just won't be as bad. Right now, we're getting ever-closer to the 2016 Presidential Elections, so don't take ANYTHING you see in the news coming from the U.S. at face value. The chances of it being skewed to fit someone's purposes is simply too high to rely on them being factual and representative.

    I live in Southern California, and apart from being hot as hell (because it's a DESERT, people, a fucking desert, AND it's summer!!!!!) and being surrounded by brain-dead hipsters everywhere I go, I'm quite happy here. Real estate prices are ridiculously inflated because it's a coastal state, it's densely populated compared to much of the rest of the country on average, and it's a veritable crossroads of cultures in very short distance from each other. So I get to experience all kinds of things in very close proximity to my place of living, and the resources at my disposal are really great. I'd still rather that Obamacare be abolished and I'd like it if the country were to stop teaching altruism and treat capitalism and rational centrism the way it out to be, so that prices for things and indeed many services (internet, to name an obvious one) would be much, MUCH cheaper and yet far superior in quality. But changes like that are just not going to happen overnight. As such, I am more than pleased with where I live... weather not withstanding, of course.

    The news says nothing about what it's actually like.
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  2. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    Will do! :mrgreen:
    I think you've nailed it perfectly, because the same thing goes for my native heath too. It's small, rocky, ugly, poor, and shitty post-communist country; as confirmed by unbiased foreigners brave enough to check out for themselves:
  3. mdf_365

    mdf_365 Wasteland Pleb

    Jun 2, 2015
    Are the economic issues affecting Greece, Spain, Ireland etc a result of poor native governmental policy or is it a symptom of the larger EU policies? Has Greece been saddled with debt top down or bottom up?

    I'm trying to wrap my head around what analog for this exists in the US's state & federal system - so anyone with a good knowledge of state & federal debt relationships on an international platform, please chime in.
  4. Chromevod

    Chromevod Nope.

    May 25, 2011
    Eh, I wouldn't say it's that bad here, at least for me. Living out in the country, it's pretty easy to just sort of do your own thing and no one will care. My nearest neighbor is half a mile away, most of the neighbors within five miles are farmers. It's kind of an unspoken rule here that everyone around here is just trying to mind their own business and make do with what we've got. If someone needs a bit of help on the rare occasions it comes up, those with the tools will take a few minutes to stop by, take care of their part, and go back to what they were doing.

    That's where I am, but I imagine that's how things are for a lot of people in the country, and most countries, on a day by day basis. There's over 300 million people living in the country... that's an awful lot of people. And the news frankly doesn't care about most of us. If you pay your taxes, it's pretty easy to keep your head down and just do your own thing.
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  5. Richwizard

    Richwizard Wouldn't you like to be a Pecker too? Orderite

    Jan 18, 2010
    U.S. can be a silly place. People think "football" is a game to play with one's hands. Also, follow one of our elections.
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  6. AskWazzup

    AskWazzup Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2008
    Not according to Human Development Index, or the 90% of world's population that would love to swap places with an american.

    The standard for calling something a shitty place has fallen pretty deep. I often hear people in my country (Lithuania) constantly barking about how bad they have it, while at the same time browsing the internet on their new shiny smartphone, or laptop with a cheap 100mbs internet connection and a fat belly to boot.
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  7. SnapSlav

    SnapSlav NMA's local DotA fanatic

    Jul 1, 2012
    I am only a student of those matters, so my thoughts on it are very, very simplistic. From what I know, the basic concept to keep in mind is that you're ALWAYS going to see problems when you try to combine a business model with a government operation. Businesses exist to be productive and produce wealth. Governments exist to use (drain) resources "on behalf" of others, to spend wealth. No matter how solid the economic principles behind what's going on, once you put that through the grinder of government, it'll always come out mangled in at least a few ways.

    So, to make a simple matter out of something vastly more complex than I am fully capable of wrapping my own head around: debt is good. Debt is leverage, not just for the owner of the debt, but for the party IN debt, as well. Debt allows you to make something whereas you otherwise could not operate had you not taken on said debt. So long as you ARE productive with it, it's not a bad thing. Properly leveraging your debt allows you to pay off what you owe, and you can even CONTINUE to leverage more debt to produce beyond your means, so it's a highly valuable economic strategy. In the hands of governments, however... China right now has a lot of bargaining power, because of how much U.S. debt they own. The U.S. IS being productive with its debt... just not nearly as productive as it could be. The situation in Greece? That's a whole 'nother kettle of fish.

    I would say that Greece got fucked largely by the EU, but not that it didn't facilitate its own economic turmoil at all, either. I've been seeing too many instances of the EU posturing itself to fuck over other countries to doubt that they had a hand in Greece's situation. But if you don't educate your citizens on business practices, ultimately your most productive elements- your work force -will simply be less productive, by definition.
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  8. UniversalWolf

    UniversalWolf eaten by a grue.

    Aug 28, 2005
    I'm your distant neighbor (Go Packers!) and it's the same for me out in the sticks. There's an unwritten code of rules to rural culture that is probably invisible to most outsiders, but it's pretty great in a lot of ways. I think it's a continuation of the old farm culture from before everyone got electricity in the 1930s.

    Suburbanites who move out here really stick out, because they don't understand the unwritten rules. I've noticed they tend to trespass thoughtlessly on other peoples' property, but try to cordon off their own and prevent any of the neighbors from setting foot on it. They also love to build big new houses and then start lobbying the local government to prevent anyone else from doing the same.

    I've lived in cities before too, and I enjoyed that for what it was, but I prefer it out here in gun-toting, beer-drinking hicksville.
  9. AskWazzup

    AskWazzup Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2008
    I have been to Greece 2 years ago (my Aunt lives there, her husband is Greek). They are.. ehm.. very lax about rules and regulations, they park their cars wherever they want (sometimes in the middle of the street) and i had to witness time and time again, how my aunts husband almost had to force every salesman to give him a check (otherwise they don't check it in the cash register, because nobody pays fucking taxes). They have been living beyond their means for a pretty long time now, and as far as i know they got into eurozone based on economic lies to begin with, so it was a barrel of dynamite from the very start

    There also seems to be a big socialist movement there, so they might be going Cuban direction.
  10. The_WitchDoctor

    The_WitchDoctor It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Jun 8, 2015

    A lot of people I talk to that "escaped" Cuba don't stop talking about how much they hate Castro and his "government".
  11. AskWazzup

    AskWazzup Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2008
    This is a running theme in socialist countries. It always starts with "power to the people" and ends with "if you question my power, i will crush you".
  12. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    You do know that there is a difference between Communism, Socialism and Castrism, right?
  13. AskWazzup

    AskWazzup Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2008
    Yes, they all suck in their own minutely different way, well maybe not the idea, but the implementation.

    Also, if wiki is to be trusted: "The following is a list of self-declared socialist states—that is to say, past and present states that have declared themselves socialist or in the process of building socialism."
  14. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Declaring onself Socialist is not much if they don't actually follow on Socialist values.
  15. AskWazzup

    AskWazzup Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2008
    That's the point i was trying to make.
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  16. SnapSlav

    SnapSlav NMA's local DotA fanatic

    Jul 1, 2012
    The last time I was in Greece was in 2004 just ONE MONTH before they hosted the Olympics in Athens, and I was staying with my mother's cousin in Athens at the time. The tourism was really fun, seeing the old ruins I'd read about in Art History classes, and so on. But it was an endless source of laughs whenever our host would bitch about the Greeks. He was living there because he was working for one of the companies organizing the construction of the Olympics projects, and he HATED the Greeks while he was there. Whenever we're going some places, he'd frequently mutter "Jebamo Grckom..." under his breath. He told hilarious jokes about things like "How do the Greeks know when to make a U-Turn? If there's a sign that says not to, that means they shouldn't, so it means that they can!" and others of that nature.

    I took them all as jokes, though. I didn't experience any "very lax about rules" behaviors from my own perspective. But maybe things changed in the decade since?

    I will say, at least from the skewed perspective that the news can offer, that I did see several Greeks display an... unhealthy perspective of their situation. Intelligent, business-owning Greeks, fluent in English, explaining how what's being done to them is "undemocratic" and "corrupt" and "dictatorship". Um... no it's not? Granted, that a bunch of the pressure is stemming from the EU, and as previously mentioned, they're all sorts of assholes in that nonsense, but paying off one's debt is not undemocratic, and owing money to debtors is not a matter of a dictatorship. In fact, the very principles of free market business where healthy debtees-to-debtors relationships EXIST requires an open system like democracy to function. In dictatorships, you don't choose who you buy or sell to. You don't choose where you do business. Those are all allowed to you, if not outright chosen for you. I've been studying business as it applies in the States, so I'm really not that well versed in Greece's situation, apart from knowing about it for all the years it's been a thing and that it has a connection to stock prices (as everything does). But I wouldn't put it past them to have dug themselves in this deep at least partially on their own. Hearing those words from educated Greeks makes me feel like it's certainly a decent likelihood.

    Of course, what they said is not a far cry from the shit plenty of Americans spout when they get a chance. The whole Tea Party movement was just that sort of nonsense. Listening to people define the opposite of what they're complaining about as being the "source" of their evils always gives me a headache. ~_~
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  17. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    People in Dutchistan speak Dutch. Total dealbreaker.
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  18. Akratus

    Akratus Bleep bloop.

    May 14, 2011
    Touché. BUT, we are quite proficient at english. And most of us have been taught German and/or French in our schooling. I too, but I never picked up on it. Still, getting around whilst not speaking the native tongue is a better venture here than most other places.
  19. AskWazzup

    AskWazzup Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2008
    I worked on a Dutch ship, and it baffled me how the names of the crew were all over the place, like Chris, or Hans. Don't you have Dutch names?

    P.S. they also loved to say Kiut, Chot-fordomed and Chot-Ferdecke.
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  20. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Don't forget, the Dutch had an empire once.