It’s Naht a Tumoh! or Legion CoC

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by KingArthur, Apr 4, 2020.

Who Sucks the Least, to You Profligates?

  1. Old Man With 4 INT

    1 vote(s)
    20.0%
  2. Pituitary Retard In a Mask

    1 vote(s)
    20.0%
  3. Captain Mediocre and his trusty Power Fist

    1 vote(s)
    20.0%
  4. The Furry With a Spy Network and Manipulation Skills

    2 vote(s)
    40.0%
  1. KingArthur

    KingArthur Don’t ya just hate it?

    Jun 25, 2018
    So, it’s been awhile since I’ve made a proper Fallout thread, and nothing seems to bring you miserable fucking degenerates together more than hating on my favorite faction.

    In honor of that, I present you with my latest and arguably most mediocre thread on the Legion, in which I’ll likely be hating on them with you: Legion Chain of Command, AKA Theoretically Fucking the Future of Caesar’s Legion. I’m gonna name each of the candidates for taking over, then explain why or why they wouldn’t make a good Diadochi for Caesar (a little historical joke for @TheOtherManInTheRoom). So without further ado:

    Edward Sallow: First off, let’s talk about the man himself. The myth, the legend, the pragmatic warlord, Caesar. This is the man who gives you the “good” Legion ending if he survives, and is the one who turned a bunch of primitives into a fighting force that keeps a technologically superior faction on their toes.

    Through dividing and conquering, shock and awe tactics, Edward Sallow has turned his Legion into an ultimate force for Blitzkrieg tactics. The problems? First off, attrition, and prolonged warfare are clear weaknesses (but I’ll get to that with Lanius). Secondly? He’s old, and has a fucking brain tumor. Caesar, much like his historical counterpart, has issues with his brain that ultimately undermine his rule. And should the Courier not intervene, it sets the stage for his death, and the ultimate destruction or reshaping of the Legion.

    1) Legatus Lanius: When Caesar dies, the Legatus assumes control of his operation for the duration of the Mojave campaign. Imho, the worst thing for the Legion is having this pituitary retard take permanent control. Why? Well, bluntly, Lanius is a brilliant warrior, and a military tactician second only to Hanlon and perhaps Caesar himself. Lanius’ style of warfare, like his master’s, is Blitzkrieg. A quick, snapping punch to the jaw that either drops the opponent or leaves them reeling. Problems arise when the reeling opponent uses the momentum for an uppercut. Like the NCR. Here is the promised mention of wars of attrition.

    Let’s go back to Graham as the Malpais Legate. Lanius wants to avoid the mistakes of Graham, who hit the NCR, and was led into a trap; ironically, he finds himself making the same mistakes. Instead of practical warfare, designed to wear the NCR out, Lanius decides to engage the Republic in small skirmishes, on multiple fronts, diminishing them piecemeal and spreading them thin. The problem with this is the time it takes.

    As much as they are spread thin, the NCR has the supply lines to keep themselves going for quite awhile; the Legion, meanwhile, is pushing deeper into hostile territory, boxed in against an enemy with effectively all the resources in the world. As a result, despite successful guérilla campaigns and terrorist attacks here and there, the Legion never makes the step to attack outposts directly (like cutting off the Long 15 by assaulting Mojave Outpost). Despite not wanting to be like Graham, Lanius would lead the Legion to defeat in the same way, through an inability to adapt (something that the NCR, specifically Hanlon’s Rangers, are trained to do).

    And that’s not even mentioning his lack of Charisma (I capitalized it like the SPECIAL stat haha funny joke). In his ending slides, and reports from Legion characters, Lanius is as brutal at home as he is at work. Whereas Caesar knows when to use a gentle touch, pragmatically assigning roles based on gender and teaching his citizens to farm, Lanius would very likely turn the Legion into a raider state. What we don’t see in NV is how the Legion reportedly acts in non-frontier, with a thriving civilization encompassing much of the US. Under the Legatus, this civilization would fucking rapidly collapse, as the Legion turns to sacking to support themselves, and eventually spreads thin just like the NCR. Lanius, as I’ve stated, is a warrior. He’s not a statesman or leader like Caesar, he’s a weapon. Put in charge of a government, Lanius would turn to war for profit, because it’s all he knows. Too bad that would dismantle the Legion. It might not happen immediately, perhaps over the course of years, but it would happen.

    2) Lucius: As head of the Praetorians, Lucius is likely privy to many things the rest of the Legion isn’t. As a result, from what we know of him, the man would likely be a halfway-point between Lanius and my last example, as man who isn’t cunning enough to be Vulpes, but isn’t retarded enough to be Lanius. He’s just... mediocre. He’s the #2 pick, square in the middle, not much to say.

    3) Vulpes Inculta: Behold, ye nonbelievers, the new Golden Age of the Legion. The single best choice for inheritance of Caesar’s position, in my most honest opinion, is Vulpes Inculta, head of his Frumentarii.

    Let’s look at what Vulpes has done, in the Mojave campaign alone.

    1) Burned Nipton, spreading a message of fear that causes despair to quite literally ripple through the Mojave Outpost (Cold, Cold Heart)

    2) Infiltrated the NCR at Camp McCarran by turning one of their ranking officers, and blowing up the monorail without the Courier’s intervention, or without their responding quickly enough (in fact, telling Hsu about the bomb results in the monorail being destroyed) (I Put a Spell On You).

    3) Assassination of Kimball, should the Courier not intervene, or not do so quickly enough (Arizona Killer and You’ll Know It When It Happens).

    4) Tricking NCR informants, then using their information to assist the Legion (The Finger of Suspicion).


    5) Convincing Lucius to fix the howitzer and telling him where to get the parts (dialogue during I Hear You Knocking).

    6) Creation of a vast spy network spreading throughout the Mojave, one so well-planted and efficient that Vulpes himself can waltz right into the Strip (various quests).

    Hell, there’s probably more I missed, but you get the picture. Vulpes would make an ideal statesman, and successor to Caesar, using terror and covert ops to get a leg up on enemies, while simultaneously running the Legion possibly better than even Caesar.

    All in all, the choice is clear for me, but I’m interested in hearing what you have to say about each of the 3 candidates. Who would be the worst successor? What’s the best scenario? Etc.
     
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  2. Ayelander

    Ayelander Big Man

    169
    Jun 30, 2018
    Legion is garbage lmao they weren't even supposed to be anything but low tech baddies because Mutants and Enclave got old lol
    See you in Fallout 5 when they're unwelcome additions as the hidden big bads
     
  3. KingArthur

    KingArthur Don’t ya just hate it?

    Jun 25, 2018
    I will literally riot.
     
  4. Ayelander

    Ayelander Big Man

    169
    Jun 30, 2018
    Grandson, go and turn on the Nuka-Cola factory. I'll see you soon, dear grandson of mine.

    And then suddenly the Legion arrives on chariots, and takes over the facility to stop you from starting the factory that they want started. Then they kill grandad and you have to go kill their new leader. Robo-Sallow. Its just Mr House subverting the Legion becasue it really isn't hard to tell a nation of 4 INT minechompers that he's the captain now.
    You can now tell Caesar House to delet himself with a 30/100 speech check.
     
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  5. KingArthur

    KingArthur Don’t ya just hate it?

    Jun 25, 2018
    It's like John Henry Eden, but even more stupid. Knowing Bethesda, they'll just re-use John Doman's lines from NV and apply a filter so he sounds robotic.
     
  6. Ayelander

    Ayelander Big Man

    169
    Jun 30, 2018
    The Zetans are the ones in charge of the Legion. They did it to start another war.
     
  7. KingArthur

    KingArthur Don’t ya just hate it?

    Jun 25, 2018
    We joke, but the idea of Bethesda owning the NV factions legitimately scares me.

    I said this in that other thread by Chunghole, but I like every NV faction, even the NCR. I don't agree with all of them, but even the ones I dislike are lovable and memorable.

    The thought of Bethesda using House, or NCR, or, yes, the Legion, is terrifying. It's like Cold, Cold Heart; Spread Word of Bethesda's Writing Atrocities
     
  8. Ayelander

    Ayelander Big Man

    169
    Jun 30, 2018
    Kellog was muh NCR
    They will rape Legion.
    They will rape House.
    They will find a way to rape the NV Bounties mod.
    Nothing is safe.
     
  9. KingArthur

    KingArthur Don’t ya just hate it?

    Jun 25, 2018
    cue Pete Hines sticking a gun to Someguy 2000's head and ordering him to sign a Creation Club contract
     
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  10. Ayelander

    Ayelander Big Man

    169
    Jun 30, 2018
    HINES.jpg

    it isn't your fallout anymore.
     
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  11. KingArthur

    KingArthur Don’t ya just hate it?

    Jun 25, 2018
    That is legitimately horrific. I just felt my asshole pucker.
     
  12. Ayelander

    Ayelander Big Man

    169
    Jun 30, 2018
    Reality often is.
     
  13. KingArthur

    KingArthur Don’t ya just hate it?

    Jun 25, 2018
    I guess it's true what Dead Rising 2 says; Terror is Reality.
     
  14. Atomic Postman

    Atomic Postman Vault Fossil

    Mar 16, 2013
    As far as I see, Vulpes excelled at being able to manipulate and trick tribals into believing the Legion was the bees knees. Doubt that would work with the towns and cities of the West.

    Lanius is strong, fearesome and a good commander. He'd be able to ravage New California millitarily.

    It's my firm belief that no matter who, when the Legion reaches the coast of the Pacific and suddenly there aren't any profligates left to crucify, they'll start eating themselves. Doesn't' matter who's in charge, but it'll happen. Your best hope is that whatever time takes place between the Legion conquering NCR and the Legion crumbling there would be the intended cultural impact that Caesar had hoped for.
     
  15. KingArthur

    KingArthur Don’t ya just hate it?

    Jun 25, 2018
    It's a reasonable opinion, but one that discounts the factors that make a good statesman. Caesar's Legion has a thriving economy and, for lack of a better term, empire, encompassing as much area as the NCR's territory. They wouldn't have held it for so long if they were nothing more than raiders, and that's something many people overlook.