My review of Fallout: the Series Season One 9/10

[Hawkwing74]

There is a bit of a difference between preparing for war and outright forcing it to happen to "win capitalism".

I'm sure I'm forgetting more things I didn't like about it (like Durrnzel not knowing what sex is, but in his establishing scene there's someone jerking off in the bunk close to him; surely there has been some form of education in this mixed military setting, right?

Is there a ratio of more males than females in this BoS place? My wife thought if it was overwhelmingly male, you might have situational gay activity as in other real world overwhelmingly male scenarios (prison, or old sailing ships). The idea that he can't possibly know about sex seems bizarre to me. If there's women as well in the place, wouldn't people be figuring out sex like all humans growing up in all places?

I guess that goes back to several people claiming he's played like a mentally disabled character.

I also told her about the Lucy volunteering sex clip and she thought that was not believable female behavior. She feels safe enough in some BoS camp to just volunteer sex? I don't think women just volunteer sex at the best of times, the old joke is you have to at least wine them and dine them first.

 

[Norzan]

why are people just accepting things so easily?

Because people want to feel accepted and to do means being fine with bullshit. Look how demonized people are when they criticize something, specially something that is being praised by the common masses and being overhyped. A lot of people don't want to be that person, the one that questions the quality of the product.

This is why down the line you have to 10 hours essays saying that the product actually sucked, because by then the hype is pretty much gone and most people aren't thinking about it.

 

[TheGM]

I mean, that's the thing--Vault-Tec is part of the Enclave so it's not even "The Enclave but now corporations are bad." It's "The Enclave but this part of the Enclave that was always part of the Enclave but we're referring to specifically rather than just saying the Enclave."

How convenient the power of the retcon is.

 

[CT Phipps]

How convenient the power of the retcon is.

I have no idea what this means given it's....not a retcon.

Is there a ratio of more males than females in this BoS place? My wife thought if it was overwhelmingly male, you might have situational gay activity as in other real world overwhelmingly male scenarios (prison, or old sailing ships). The idea that he can't possibly know about sex seems bizarre to me. If there's women as well in the place, wouldn't people be figuring out sex like all humans growing up in all places?

I guess that goes back to several people claiming he's played like a mentally disabled character.

I also told her about the Lucy volunteering sex clip and she thought that was not believable female behavior. She feels safe enough in some BoS camp to just volunteer sex? I don't think women just volunteer sex at the best of times, the old joke is you have to at least wine them and dine them first.

I thought the scene established five things:

1. Sex in the Vaults is dealt with frankly and without shame (which was established in episode 1).

2. Lucy felt comfortable and happy for the first time in the Vault rather than surface.

3. It was a nice reversal of the usual "women are hesitant about sex and men are always eager."

4. Maximus is a virgin

5. Max is high as fuck from his Med-X.

Sure, yeah, but seriously, why are people just accepting things so easily? I've played Fallout for like 25 years and I've never heard of China going nuclear because West Tek wanted to turn them into Super mutants? That doesn't make any sense at all, yet within the space of a few days I've seen two people state that as if it was totally accepted fact despite it being very nonsensical.

It's in the Fallout Bible.

China drops the bombs because of FEV.

Roger Maxson deserts the US military because of what he finds at the WestTek facility.

It was all about the FEV.

The Master is the one that thinks FEV is something to create a master race from. FEV is a biological weapon.

It's a retcon but not much of one that Super Mutants are known by WestTek because Maxson saw what the experiments they'd been doing were.

 

[Hawkwing74]

3. It was a nice reversal of the usual "women are hesitant about sex and men are always eager."

It's so popular to pretend men and women are identical. You do like popular, right?

 

[TheGM]

I have no idea what this means given it's....not a retcon.

Retconed the retcon into no longer being a retcon, truly peak creativity and writing. Eat shit John Milton this is how you really write a story.

 

[CT Phipps]

It's so popular to pretend men and women are identical. You do like popular, right?

I mean, if you don't believe there are women who like sex and are eager for sex, I feel for you.

Shy awkward men have existed since forever and so have horny ladies.

 

[Risewild]

I'm afraid this is No Mutants Allowed letting their attempts to change the past to make Fallout and Fallout 3 seem different.

They're not "Crazy" Ghouls.

They're MINDLESS ghouls.

In Fallout 2, the ghouls that attack on sight are called crazies as seen on these screenshots I just took while playing the game (for some reason FO2 screenshots come out small, I think it might be because of the hi-res patch):

And they can use shotguns and I think one used a frag grenade in this encounter too. Here's a screenshot with a combat log message saying that the Crazy has run out of shotgun ammo (the Ghoul at the centre near my character is also wielding a shotgun, but it's hard to tell in the picture):

Now if you mean the hostile ghouls that attack on sight in Necropolis and say stuff like "Arrrr" (are they supposed to be pirates? ) and "Uhh" (FO1), they are not named "MINDLESS ghouls", they are just named "Ghoul". And I am also pretty sure Set doesn't call them mindless ghouls either, only ghouls too. So I have no idea where the "mindless" came from. Probably from the wiki that is full of mistakes and headcanon, especially in relation to the old games.

Here are a couple more screenshots I just took from Fallout 1 (the screenshots from FO1 come out at full resolution, so they are much bigger so I will spoiler them for other people's convenience). In the first one we see the name of the ghoul when we examine him and in the second we see the name of the ghoul given by the game while in combat (I think sometimes the game might have a different name when examining and when in combat):

Spoiler: 1920x 1080x size Screenshots

And it doesn't make them any different from what I said in my post you quoted, they are still not zombies, just crazy ghouls that become violent against some intruders. After all, there are super mutants, non hostile ghouls and a couple of children of the cathedral in Necropolis and these "not-mindless ghouls" don't attack them.

 

[Traeger91]

Just looking at the onslaught of newer players and now viewers, it's amazing how older fans voices haven't been completely drowned out. I wonder how many of the old guard (since the sites creation) have left as a result. It's tiring being berated with the constant "you like Fallout, you'll like this" bs. People have different tastes, personally my taste for mindless schlock is non existent, meaning I get nothing but frustration from modern Fallout. The core problem, as I see it, is that there's not even an attempt to consolidate the interests of both original and newer fans, hell even fans of 3 and 4 are starting to be rubbed the wrong way.

 

[Iprovidelittlepianos]

In Fallout 2, the ghouls that attack on sight are called crazies as seen on these screenshots I just took while playing the game (for some reason FO2 screenshots come out small, I think it might be because of the hi-res patch):

And they can use shotguns and I think one used a frag grenade in this encounter too. Here's a screenshot with a combat log message saying that the Crazy has run out of shotgun ammo (the Ghoul at the centre near my character is also wielding a shotgun, but it's hard to tell in the picture):

Now if you mean the hostile ghouls that attack on sight in Necropolis and say stuff like "Arrrr" (are they supposed to be pirates? ) and "Uhh" (FO1), they are not named "MINDLESS ghouls", they are just named "Ghoul". And I am also pretty sure Set doesn't call them mindless ghouls either, only ghouls too. So I have no idea where the "mindless" came from. Probably from the wiki that is full of mistakes and headcanon, especially in relation to the old games.

Here are a couple more screenshots I just took from Fallout 1 (the screenshots from FO1 come out at full resolution, so they are much bigger so I will spoiler them for other people's convenience). In the first one we see the name of the ghoul when we examine him and in the second we see the name of the ghoul given by the game while in combat (I think sometimes the game might have a different name when examining and when in combat):

Spoiler: 1920x 1080x size Screenshots

And it doesn't make them any different from what I said in my post you quoted, they are still not zombies, just crazy ghouls that become violent against some intruders. After all, there are super mutants, non hostile ghouls and a couple of children of the cathedral in Necropolis and these "not-mindless ghouls" don't attack them.

Thanks for this. Funny how the wiki just makes shit up. Makes me question whether the ghoul crazies used guns, which I (correctly) remember them using, or whether the street ghouls are called mindless ghouls, which I (correctly) don’t remember them being called.

Roger Maxson deserts the US military because of what he finds at the WestTek facility.

It's a retcon but not much of one that Super Mutants are known by WestTek because Maxson saw what the experiments they'd been doing were.

You’re thinking of Mariposa. Hassknecht is right. The military had commandeered FEV from West-Tek and transported it to Mariposa for human experimentation. They planned on using FEV for creating super soldiers, not dropping it on China. Even if the Fallout Bible says otherwise, I think we can safely ignore it because that’s fucking stupid.

 

[Risewild]

Thanks for this. Funny how the wiki just makes shit up. Makes me question whether the ghoul crazies used guns, which I (correctly) remember them using, or whether the street ghouls are called mindless ghouls, which I (correctly) don’t remember them being called.

I thought about this for a bit and the only possibility of it being right is if there are some random encounter enemies named Mindless Ghouls, but I spent 30 minutes traveling all around Necropolis on the world map and didn't get any encounter like that.

 

[TheGM]

Now if you mean the hostile ghouls that attack on sight in Necropolis and say stuff like "Arrrr" (are they supposed to be pirates? ) and "Uhh" (FO1), they are not named "MINDLESS ghouls", they are just named "Ghoul". And I am also pretty sure Set doesn't call them mindless ghouls either, only ghouls too. So I have no idea where the "mindless" came from. Probably from the wiki that is full of mistakes and headcanon, especially in relation to the old games.

Now it turns out the Ghouls were actually the Enclave the entire time.

 

[Yossarrion]

Now it turns out the Ghouls were actually the Enclave the entire time.

Maybe the real ghouls were the friends we made along the way

 

[CT Phipps]

Yes, the ghouls who cannot speak and are hostile at the bottom of the radiation are somehow carrying out tea parties and deep philosophical conversations because it makes Fallout look different than later editions.

 

[TheGM]

Pre-War Ghoul Enclave Sleeper Agents. Part of the Capitalistic Plot to control the post war economy of bottle caps and runaway spouses.

 

[CT Phipps]

Pre-War Ghoul Enclave Sleeper Agents. Part of the Capitalistic Plot to control the post war economy of bottle caps and runaway spouses.

GM, you're a smart guy but are you really trying to convince yourself the games weren't anti-corporate BEFORE the show?

* The games about the massive Resource Wars that involved destroying Canada?
* The WestTek experiments that drove Maxson and company to desert
* The games that have the Far Right government based on an OIL rig? (symbolism much?)
* The games that repeatedly drill home the destructive nature of consumer focused 1950s America?
* The games that end with a society that moves on from the past United States with a combined tribal/technological edge in Arryo?

You can say Fallout 2 got political but a game about the nuclear apocalypse is inherently political. Either Right (prepper porn) or Left (mourning the dead world)

 

[TheGM]

Turns out resources and the wars fought over them didn't exist until Adam Smith wrote The Wealth of Nations.

* The WestTek experiments that drove Maxson and company to desert

You mean the Military's experiments with FEV that cause Maxson to take over the Mariposa Base and secede from the US? Them going to the desert came after the war.

* The games that have the Far Right government based on an OIL rig? (symbolism much?)

We know very little of the pre-war government beyond it being Fascist Police state and Facsicm itself is a Socialist Ideology and would put them on the left side of the of the political scale.

* The games that repeatedly drill home the destructive nature of consumer focused 1950s America?

Did you get that from some fan project written by danger hairs where the main quest has you have sex with giant lizard people? Because as I remember it the old world was dead and burnt to ash and the only thing that remained where the radioactive ghosts and robots dotting the landscape of charred ruins. At most you can postulate from what we have seen that inflation was out of control with the scarcity of resources and insane military spending do to a cold war that lasted almost twice as long and went hot in the end.

I'm also sure the commies wrecked their side of planet too.

 

[Hassknecht]

I have no idea what this means given it's....not a retcon.



I thought the scene established five things:

1. Sex in the Vaults is dealt with frankly and without shame (which was established in episode 1).

2. Lucy felt comfortable and happy for the first time in the Vault rather than surface.

3. It was a nice reversal of the usual "women are hesitant about sex and men are always eager."

4. Maximus is a virgin

5. Max is high as fuck from his Med-X.



It's in the Fallout Bible.

China drops the bombs because of FEV.

Roger Maxson deserts the US military because of what he finds at the WestTek facility.

It was all about the FEV.

The Master is the one that thinks FEV is something to create a master race from. FEV is a biological weapon.

It's a retcon but not much of one that Super Mutants are known by WestTek because Maxson saw what the experiments they'd been doing were.

Yeah nah that's fucking retarded and just one more reason why the Fallout Bibles, despite their name, shouldn't be considered gospel. Not that it's in the Fallout Bible, like other things it's just something he said in an interview, apparently.
Roger Maxson deserted the military way after FEV was even at West Tek, they moved the research to Mariposa in January 2077, and Maxson deserted in October, about two weeks before the War. They didn't do human testing at West Tek, that was at Mariposa.
Also, no, it wasn't a bioweapon, did you even listen to what Tim Cain said? West Tek also didn't plan on using it against China, because that would be fucking retarded, he just said China learned of FEV and thought the US had bioweapons ready to unleash, so they did a preemptive strike.
Although of course it was actually aliens. Or Vault-Tec. I'm sure they're all Enclave anyway.

Also, Fallout was never 1950s.

 

[TheGM]

Also, Fallout was never 1950s.

People still haven't figured this out.

 

[Norzan]

People still haven't figured this out.

You can easily tell which people still haven't figured out the franchse with this (CT Phipps not getting it is no surprise). Fallout is not the 1950s, it's the future envisioned by the 1950s, there's an huge difference.