N.Korean-invaded USA: Red Scare all over again by proxy?

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Silencer, Aug 28, 2012.

  1. Silencer

    Silencer Night Watchman Staff Member Admin

    Nov 7, 2003
    Another one to my friends from the opposite side of the Big Pond: Americans - what is it with the upsurge of North Korea invading the United States in fiction lately? First "Homefront", and now the remake of "Red Dawn" is going to feature North Korean occupation of American soil as well.

    Isn't this vision quite a bit outlandish, I mean, even if we consider a scenario where an "axis of evil" onslaught ties up a lot of U.S. military defensive potential overseas, North Korea hardly has the military and industrial potential to conduct an invasion across an ocean, which would be a feat unparalleled in human history (D-Day was conducted from Britain, ha! - even the original "Red Dawn" Russians had a base of operation in Cuba). Admittedly, the Korean army is three times larger than American in terms of manpower - but how do you expect to get them across the Pacific to actually fight?

    Seriously, I'd sooner believe that Mexico would successfully try to take back Texas and all the light-up Corona signs.

    Or is "North Korea" merely a façade for the otherwise unmentionable China?
  2. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all

    Apr 3, 2003
    The plot of Homefront was one of its most-commonly criticized flaws*. No one could take it seriously, some producer pushed it on them, and no one could take it seriously. I guess it's just...a producer thing? Isn't Red Dawn being remade as a dream heartthrob film?

    * The one critics should have been focusing on is that it's an incredibly boring linear over-scripted on-rails shooter.
  3. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    Red Dawn was remade 2 years ago and has been sitting on a shelf since. And it was China in the movie but they went and digitally altered it to make them North Korea.

    Homefront was just silly.

    The Fat kid from Up unifies Korea because "Fuck You that's why".
    Super Korea takes over all of Asia(sans China) because "They did so shut up".
    Super Korea invades America because "We wouldn't have a game so stop asking questions".
  4. DammitBoy

    DammitBoy Carbon Dated and Proud

    Feb 23, 2006
    So, you get to shoot koreans, right?
  5. maximaz

    maximaz Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Apr 2, 2006
    Well, I bet the movie will feature some suitcase containing a secret weapon that allowed N.Korea to invade US. Too bad it won't protect them from the sheer badassery of American teenagers.
  6. Silencer

    Silencer Night Watchman Staff Member Admin

    Nov 7, 2003
    Heh. As I suspected, then.

    Still it makes as much sense as remaking the original Red Dawn with Yugoslavians as the black hats. :D

  7. KarmaPolice

    KarmaPolice It Wandered In From the Wastes

    May 5, 2010
    Personally, I'm suprised that Fallout ain't been Retcon'd to make those evil Koreans the enemy. Or Cuba. Or Iceland. I miss the days then Washington/Hollywood told their people to be scared of a nation worth fearing *sob*. Making them the enemy gives them waaay too much credit.

    Then again, I am writing this from London and not, say Seoul or Pusan. Insane paranoics are more threatening when they're only 40 miles away.

    I would like one of those magical suitcases, mind...

    [EDIT] Why isn't there more games/films where the evil US of A comes and invades your country? Of all powers, they do have the track record of doing that. Not gonna get into a debate about the reasons why/morals of doing it, just a thought.
  8. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Because the Soviets lost, the arabs are overdone (blame Call of Duty and the recent wars on TV for that), and you don't make the guy you are trading with your enemy (china).

    The Koreans are pretty much poor mans Soviet Union here which was always the perfect "evil" picture you could use for pretty much everything. Like the Nazis. Remember? Killing a German in a game is a "good" thing for example - just saying you could also say why are movies about WW2 always portraying the Soldiers as heroes and liberators instead of showing a rather realistic image of the war.

    I might be wrong, but I think the original idea for Homefront was it the Chinese invading the US not N-Korea. But for some reason they changed that. Just what I have read though.
  9. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign ⛧卐⛧ [REDACTED]

    Apr 1, 2005
    ^ I believe you're right about Homefront Crni. They changed it from Chinese to North Korean. I guess since the US owes them so much money they figured it would be too realistic. :wink:
  10. Ben

    Ben Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Oct 6, 2011
    They use North Korea cause they don't want to offend the Chinese

    Hence why the Re-Make of the Manchurian Candidate had "The Manchu Corporation", not the Chinese Government
  11. Sub-Human

    Sub-Human -

    May 31, 2011
    It's just a game, after all. If they used China as the enemy, nobody would give a shit. You kill Chinese in Fallout 3 (it's a modern game, just saying). Did the Chinese stop buying bonds and make a coup against the US? No.
  12. FOvet

    FOvet Wandering the Wastelands

    Aug 26, 2012
    To be fair, in FO, the chinese have been the enemy since the first game was released--it was mentioned way back in FO1 I believe, that China was the antagonist.

    Plus, FO is a post-apocalyptic game, and the 'Chinese' you kill are little more than Glorified zombies. Maybe the makers of Homefront are afraid of pissing China off; after all, where do most video game consoles come from?
  13. Sub-Human

    Sub-Human -

    May 31, 2011
    The reason why I mentioned Fallout 3 was because it was released in 2008, a modern game, compared to Fallout, 11 years earlier.

    In Fallout, you don't get to see or kill the Chinese. In Fallout 2, they're not actual enemies, they're simple residents. In Fallout 3, you have a training program where you have to shoot Chinese in the face. Sure, they're little more than clusters of data, but you still kill the Chinese.

    Battlefield 3 and Call of Duty - popular games - both have Russians as the antagonists. Did Putin declare war on the US and go for an arms race? No. And that's considering China wouldn't even benefit from removing its trade relationships.

    EDIT: Both games are actively being sold and bought in Russia. There's no whining, no scandals, no official statements. It's just a game.
  14. donperkan

    donperkan Vault Fossil

    Aug 4, 2011
    It just shows how far the rest of the world is ahead of america. Try selling them a game that portrays them realistically.
  15. Sub-Human

    Sub-Human -

    May 31, 2011
    Actually, the point here is that Battlefield and Call of Duty do not portray Russia realistically. In one game they're fighting the US for a crappy reason, in the other a revolution happens. Both are not possible and do not make sense.

    The US would most likely not give a crap either, if Japan made an RPG where the US is under tyranny of a NWO and the dollar is forced onto every country through war (sketchy concept). Because it makes no sense.
  16. donperkan

    donperkan Vault Fossil

    Aug 4, 2011
    I didn't say that those shooters portrayed russia realistically, at least i don't think they did i didnt play those games.

    Usa invades (insert someone here). Thats realistic enough considering america is all over the globe doing shit.

    American batshit crazy mothers wouldn't let that slide easily.
  17. Sub-Human

    Sub-Human -

    May 31, 2011
    I thought you were, given the comment 'Try selling them [the US] a game that portrays them realistically'.

    I agree there's lots of whining in the US let release someone a controversial (which is up to debate on its own) mass media product. I'm guessing they're used to have the right of speaking, so they will speak whatever comes to their mind (quite on the opposite in Russia, with a few exceptions).

    Maybe if you played as some kind of local Afghan militia, killing US troops, that wouldn't have been taken lightly. But on a less realistic scale - Chinese soldier defending his soil against US invaders and kicking them back to their police-full, oppressive government? It's fiction.
  18. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    It wasn't by certain people.

    Medal of Honor(2010) had you playing as the Taliban in multiplayer complete with IEDs that detonate with the use of a cellphone. it would have been kept in the game but Fox news got wind of it and bitched up a storm, so EA changed them to some generic Opposing Forces who still look like the damn Taliban.
  19. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    GTA always had the option of making car bombs.

    Wait... GTA has the option of performing massacres against civilians :I
    Like any neato game, I can't run it. I miss running around "central park" in infinite circles shooting up civilians:]
    (since cops seem to have enormous difficulty following me into the park)
  20. FOvet

    FOvet Wandering the Wastelands

    Aug 26, 2012
    Bottom line: a game is a game, and we shouldn't restrict what devs want to put out--not in America, anyway. I loved racing through GTA4, splattering civilians on by stolen car: doesn't mean I'd do this IRL.

    But, GTA has always been somewhat controversial. Some think you shouldn't be given the choice, that it 'desensetizes (sp?)' our kids. I say that's not the devs problem, that's the PARENT'S problem--they should be reading the game ratings before buying mature games for their 10-year old >.>

    I think fox was wrong to bitch like they did (and I usually like Fox news). It's a video game, and nothing more. So what if you played as the taliban? In civilization you can play as some of the most brutal dictators in history, like Gengis Kahn!