NCR, Enclave, FEV Curling-13 (and mutants)
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Quagmire69
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
In the trialer he was, i dono, maybe they could by lesbians and adopt Jeremy.
Quagmire69
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
I'm sorry but I need to address this statement. What you have just said is the height of naiveté. The fact is if you want an omelet you have to break a few eggs. This is a concept your precious NCR has used numerous times when dealing with tribal or rival states like New Reno, The Khans, and Vault City.
Also let’s not make references to twentieth century bad guys like Hitler and Stalin. I know I brought up the whole commie thing but it was a mistake.
Also the common people don't mean shit. They don't not as a moral matter but as a practical one. Do you think the common people mattered during WWII, do you think that 99% of the world’s population had any power of whether they died clutching each other’s throats? Do you think that the common people in today’s world matter, as a common person in the world today I have to say that i don't matter? I matter more than a Libyan refugee and as a college graduate but overall I don't matter much. Very few of us matter in the long term.
Wintermind
Vault Senior Citizen
Considering that a decent chunk of the common people were fighting each other to death across Europe and the Pacific during WWII, I'd say that mattered.
Common people have also, y'know, revolted and done shit. That's the sort of logic that helped trigger the French Revolution. "Oh hey you're 98% of France's population? Don't care, you aren't important".
Common people have also, y'know, revolted and done shit. That's the sort of logic that helped trigger the French Revolution. "Oh hey you're 98% of France's population? Don't care, you aren't important".
Ilosar
Vault Fossil
The difference being that your precious Enclave wanted to break almost every single egg in existence for no real reasons besides massive paranoia, while NCR only breaks eggs that are a direct and deliberate threat, like the Khans (who shot first) and the Legion (who seeks it's destruction). New Reno and Vault City were also annexed by more or less underhanded means, there never was any plan to massacre them all on an impossibly shaky ideological basis. NCR are basically machiavellian in their approached; to be loved is nice, to be feared is alright too, but to be hated is not. That's what makes them effective, compared to the Master or the Enclave (and Legion if you ask me, but we don't know the canon yet); they just go about their business of making the Wasteland theirs, securing it and trying to make life easier for their people, without bothering with ridiculous schemes of brutal conversion (physical in the case of the mutants, ideological in the Legion's) or mass murder.
Also, common people not meaning shit? Tell that to those fighting against Ghaddafi. Or the people who tore down the Berlin Wall. Or the French revolutionaries, to name three easy examples. It's easy to be dryly cynical when we sit in front of a computer and declare all these people are meaningless. Maybe the ''common people'' needs a catalyst to move it's lazy ass sometimes, but it's never meaningless.[/code]
Quagmire69
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
You do realise that those revolts have been started by islamist funded by syria and iran. Thier using the democracy and socialist movements as human sandbags to clear the way for a fundementalist sharia based system.
Quagmire69
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
I am deeply cynical and I’m not proud of it. It’s just what I’ve seen over and over again. From what I’ve seen of the world it is a frightening terrible place, without justice, and without hope for anything better. Some say they don't believe God could exist because he would do something about suffering. My opinion has always been God must be a truly frightening being giving the world he has created.
Again I’m not proud of my outlook. It’s a cowardly way to see the world. It’s just less painful to give up on the hope of something better.
Quagmire69 said:
How often do you actually see the world though?
When I was 16 and I rarely went out I was mad cynical too, then I realized that cynicism makes you
A- Unsociable
B- Have a fairly odd worldview
You have to be not cynical. Find a religion, a club, do something. Otherwise you get Bogged down
Quagmire69
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
More B, i have no trouble meeting people. Its not even that i'm angry, its like i'm numb and don't care any more. I can't even get mad any more because nothing seems real. Part this is because I suffer from PTSD, my skrewed up world view comes from trying to make since of things while being a deeply disturbed person.
Wintermind
Vault Senior Citizen
Wait, I have a odd world view because I expect the worst from people? And am subsequently antisocial? Maybe I should tell my friends. 
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Honestly?Quagmire69 said:
Currently, you're not coming off as cynical, but rather as uneducated while also loud-mouthed.
I agree with you, though. The world is a shitty place, mostly.
Doesn't mean that the masses can't rise and change it for the better. And if they fuck it up, other masses rise and repeat it.
Maybe at some point it will work.
It's not like humanity has anything better to do.
Quagmire69
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
I'm well educated and well read. I just like spouting off on the internet when i need to let off some steam. Am actually very reserved and polite personally.
James Snowscoran
Still Mildly Glowing
You've been watching too much Glenn Beck m8Quagmire69 said:
Well, that's how you're coming off.Quagmire69 said:
I hate people who think that it's all fine and dandy to be a dipshit on the interwebs just because they're more or less anonymous there.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Svwm_k9hYk[/youtube]
This is the internet, reacting to Bennet-posts (letting off some steam, lolgeddit?).
Please, think about our foreheads.
That of course goes to every Bennet on the net, but I guess most of them won't read this
Quagmire69
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
I'm aware i've said things that make me come off that way but at least I have the ability to be honest about when i'm an ass. Also if you look at some of the things i've posted some of its loudmouthesh, and some of its insightfull.
I think its more that for many of us its the only way we can say whats on our mind without worrying. Alot of people spend a large amount time each week, apologizing for things they did'nt do, putting up with shit they should'nt have to this is a way to let it out. It would be nice if someone created a sport were people would bitch at each other for an hour, and then apologize like nothing happened at the end to let off steam.
Azathoth
First time out of the vault
Honestly i dont get what this thread is about ?
On the first few pages was something about why there are no cars/transportation, and then it became a bitchfest about what
factions suck ?
Anyway about the Tech:
I think that either the writers dont know shit about technology, or they didnt want another topic to think about.
Because, there would be cars, and there would be trains and all kinds of machines... Old good diesel engines run on gunked up whale oil, you can make gas from coal, bulding an electic Motor is also easy as dirt (My grandfather build one, using the drum of a washing machine as case, it was used to drive a giant ~600kg whetstone). Steamengines are also easy to built, and they dont really need coal so they can run on pretty much anything that burns.
So yeah, i think they didnt want the trouble to create even more models etc.
On the factions:
I dont like the NCR because to me they are bland and boring... They are like the grey faction, but they lack some crazyness, something that would make me like them. Dont get me wrong i dont hate them, but even though i like the story of Fallout, i prefer the batshit crazy stuff.
I think i would like them if they where the "Anti-Legion" like Knights in shining armor, good do-gooders.
I hate the Legion, its like the last thing humanity needs, people that take slaves and pillage.
On the first few pages was something about why there are no cars/transportation, and then it became a bitchfest about what
factions suck ?
Anyway about the Tech:
I think that either the writers dont know shit about technology, or they didnt want another topic to think about.
Because, there would be cars, and there would be trains and all kinds of machines... Old good diesel engines run on gunked up whale oil, you can make gas from coal, bulding an electic Motor is also easy as dirt (My grandfather build one, using the drum of a washing machine as case, it was used to drive a giant ~600kg whetstone). Steamengines are also easy to built, and they dont really need coal so they can run on pretty much anything that burns.
So yeah, i think they didnt want the trouble to create even more models etc.
On the factions:
I dont like the NCR because to me they are bland and boring... They are like the grey faction, but they lack some crazyness, something that would make me like them. Dont get me wrong i dont hate them, but even though i like the story of Fallout, i prefer the batshit crazy stuff.
I think i would like them if they where the "Anti-Legion" like Knights in shining armor, good do-gooders.
I hate the Legion, its like the last thing humanity needs, people that take slaves and pillage.
DevilTakeMe
Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
Azathoth said:
I agree, and I'm not sure if it's because of a lack of supplies or whatnot, but there's many alternatives that don't seem to have a huge amount of thought put into them.
Diesel fuel can also be created from what's basically vegetable cooking oil (bio diesel). Furthermore, Diesel engines actually require no electricity to use - compression is used instead of spark plugs - it's all the knick-knacks in the car that use electricity. A hand-crank is all that's needed to get diesel engines working again.
An even more archaic and dirt-cheap alternative to fossil fuels is gazogene or "wood gas." The aforementioned coal and charcoal can both be used to create this same gas. You then just put this stuff into a tank of your favorite gas guzzler.
And tell me this doesn't look like it would fit in thematically:
DoubleRubix
First time out of the vault
Well actually if you take the note from mercs at jacobstown it implies senators are anti-mutant in the same sense politicians are anti-gay now. It helps take peoples fears into hate and make it easier for them to get elected.