Norwegian Massacre

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by .Pixote., Jul 23, 2011.

  1. .Pixote.

    .Pixote. Carbon Dated and Proud
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    Sep 14, 2009
    There is terrible news of a Massacre in Norway - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-23/norway-in-quotes/2807306 This appears to be the act of a Neo-Nazi movement in Norway.

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    Police say 80 people died on Utoya island when a gunman opened fire on a youth camp attended by members of the governing Labour Party.
    
    The massacre came after a huge bomb exploded outside government buildings in Oslo, killing at least seven people and leaving buildings in ruins.
    
    Police say the two attacks are linked and have named the suspected gunman as 32-year-old Norwegian man Anders Behring Breivik. He was arrested on Utoya and is currently being questioned by police.
     
  2. Horus9k

    Horus9k It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    I think 'Neo-Nazi' is misrepresenting it a little.
     
  3. .Pixote.

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    Sep 14, 2009
    More facts will come out in the next day or so, but I feel for the people of Norway. Are there liberal guns laws in the country? How can one person kill so many without the police intervening.

    This appears to be the individual involved.

     
  4. Horus9k

    Horus9k It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    I doubt it was just this guy.
     
  5. Loxley

    Loxley Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    One man with gun, rifle and shotgun on a small island with 500 people.

    Deathcount so far is 87 dead and rising.
     
  6. Black Feather

    Black Feather Mildly Dipped

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  7. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Well, he is white, conservative and christian, so it has to be videogames that are to be blamed.
     
  8. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    He was armed. You can talk tough as long as you want, but standing up to an armed man running around shooting people is entirely different in real life than it is on paper.
     
  9. Black Feather

    Black Feather Mildly Dipped

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    Just imagine the scenario, you're on a tiny forested island with serialkiller wearing a sniperrifle. Nightmare fuel.

    If you're a regular person you just panick and run, hide...those who jumped into the water were actually the smartest.
     
  10. iii

    iii Vault Dweller

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    Thats your problem.

    You wouldn't and couldn't be rational in this situation.

    Your instincts would take over an you would run an pray for your life like anybody else. This is no goddam Hollywood movie where John McClane saves the day.
     
  11. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    And the passengers of one of the 9.11 planes tried to stop the terrorists. It does happen that people sometimes do "heroic" things. But it is very unusual for people to do such things and even the police say that one should rather flee and hide then trying to attack. Because even they know that such things end rather in more kills then actually stopping the attacker. Runing away to save their lifes is exactly what "usually" everybody will do every time. Anything else would be a exception. Particularly if you know the attacker is armed and you not.

    To get in panic is rational for most humans. It requires much training and exercise to overcome this and even well trained Soldiers get often enough in the face of death in panic. And those are most of the time even "armed" so capable of "shooting back". One of the main reasons for the constant drill is to get a routine and thus avoid the usual course of panicking.

    As Hassknecht said. It is easy to theorize. But who knows how anyone of us would really act in such situations. Or anything that would be similar. Getting in panic and loosing your head though is usually normal.

    Good he was not brown, foreigner and muslim otherwise they would have blamed the Islam.


    One has to love the news media today ... I wish they would stop saying "islamic terrorists" and only talk about "terrorists". One who knows about the Islam would realize that the Islam and terrorism does not go well together.

    Anyway. Who knows. This guy might be simply crazy like the people which did the Oklahoma City bombing.
     
  12. LinkPain

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    Neo-Nazi in Norway? I thought that kind of thing was impossible there.
     
  13. Gaspard

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    And your later post - what would the grown-up politians do ? Spit words or papers at him ? I understood there was a guard on the island, but it wasn't said hwether he was armed or not. Running into a gun empty-handed doesn't sound too heroic, or smart for that matter.

    Also - there was a children's summer camp there. Who would have thought of popping a van full of armed guards onto a peaceful island where kids play ?

    I feel for the people whose friends or family were victims. It's going to shake up the Scandinavia a tiny bit, alright.
     
  14. iii

    iii Vault Dweller

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    So you are calling those people cowards?
     
  15. Gaspard

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    I'm sure he has the right to. But it wont bring the ~90 dead people back. That's why he's just being an asshole. What if my ass...
     
  16. .Pixote.

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    He was shooting people for over an hour - where the fuck were the police...I realise they had a lot on their mind that day, but I'm sure everybody on that island who had a mobile phone tried to call for help, and yet he was still killing people more than an hour after he started. :?
     
  17. Gaspard

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    That was in concert with the explosions, wasn't it ? That's where your police was at. The cell-phone lines were probably hot because of that.

    He planned the attack to coincide with the panic the bombs would incite
     
  18. Phil the Nuka-Cola Dude

    Phil the Nuka-Cola Dude Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Jul 9, 2004
    The "few brave souls" thing is what's important. If you're with a group of people, you could possibly overwhelm the attacker. One person trying to jump the crazy motherfucker out in the open while everyone is running around panicking is just going to add +1 to the bodycount. For all we know, people DID try to stop him and ended up dead.

    Nobody pays any attention because unless they're armed, they'll just get stabbed/shot/beat down as well. Or if they ARE armed, what are they going to do? Draw their weapon and instruct the ghetto trash to step away from the victim? What do you do when they tell you to fuck off, and continue beating the man? If you shoot them, you're going to get sued by the ghetto scumbag's family, and will be looking at prison time.

    Being a good samaritan just isn't worth it. It's the same reason where if you see someone in the street drop to the ground with a heart attack, you call 911 and keep walking. If you try to help him, he can sue you if something goes wrong.
     
  19. fedaykin

    fedaykin Vault Fossil

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    But but but....Fox News told me only muslims do terrorism! :shock:
     
  20. Gaspard

    Gaspard Kasparov

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    Also - Phil's got a point here. I understand that this situation was different - but in todays age I heard several stories where a person steps into a fight, gets beaten up and then faces a lawsuit. It's not that black and white - out post-modernist society is fubar in the head in every imaginable way õ_o

    väga naljakas (very funny...)