Playing as a black dude

Discussion in 'General Gaming and Hardware Forum' started by Von Drunky, Jun 27, 2007.

  1. MediaMogul

    MediaMogul First time out of the vault

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    Jun 27, 2007
    blatant racism is funny. Its the more subtle kind and people who actually belive the crap you gotta worry about.
     
  2. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
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    Jul 5, 2003
    Nope, they couldn't have. Because that would've meant creating 'black' models for every armor/weapon combination in the game, which they didn't need to do now.
    The choice for a single male and a single female protagonist model stemmed mostly from that limitation.

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    Classes? You mean species. Also, equating Gnomes with Jews and Half-Orcs with blacks seems rather ridiculous.
     
  3. Montez

    Montez So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Jun 20, 2003
    To sum it up, talking about racism in this country for the past decade or two is probably similar to what talking about religion was during the Inquisition . It's easier and safer to just not talk about it at all or to only talk about it in careful, approved ways than to risk being branded a racist and having Al Sharpton set up camp on your doorstep.
     
  4. iii

    iii Vault Dweller

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    Oct 10, 2005
    DEUS EX
     
  5. Maphusio

    Maphusio Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Sep 25, 2004
    I here you. Personally, I think a little color is more attractive and when the game provides me the chance, I create a character of color. I read KOTOR below, that is a decent example there. I also read that a problem is some of the games are not set in a region where folk of color reside... I don't know about that... That's too easy of a way out to me since half of the games out there are set in another world.
     
  6. Sorrow

    Sorrow So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Feb 9, 2006
    Equating, maybe, seeing an inspiration no. There's a book about treatment of half-orcs in Tarant Library that explains everything.
    As for Gnomes - I don't recall their elites plotting to rob humanity from magical/spiritual powers and to impose their religion on everything that moves, so they may be something else.
    On the other hand I don't know much about other races in Arcanum I usually play a Dark Elf and kill every technology loving scum I can.

    You mean, like having to talk without calling people names because of their skin colour and other forms of terror?
     
  7. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
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    Jul 5, 2003
    Ehm, yeah, or Gnomes are just based on what gnomes are usually based on in fantasy. I really think you're reading way too much into this. Especially since half-orcs are the result of (usually) raped humans.
     
  8. Dracon M'Alkir

    Dracon M'Alkir Vault Senior Citizen

    Jul 19, 2004
    Actually, if you guys don't recall - in Fallout 2; the cafe of broken dreams (where you get Dogmeat) there's a black vault dweller, and a female vault dweller with red hair.
     
  9. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
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    Jul 5, 2003
    Please do read the entire thread, next time.
    As has been explained, yes, there were black vault dwellers other models. However, those only had the gun-less, armor-less models. Having to add models for every combination of armor and weapon would've taken a lot more disk space and trouble, hence why they stuck with one male and one female model.
    Yeesh.
     
  10. Dracon M'Alkir

    Dracon M'Alkir Vault Senior Citizen

    Jul 19, 2004
    Just trying to be useful. :roll:
     
  11. Sorrow

    Sorrow So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Feb 9, 2006
    Yes, but the Vault Dwellers that DarkLegacy is talking about are explaining that.
     
  12. Von Drunky

    Von Drunky Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Mar 10, 2007
    How many armors were there which they didn’t make a black model for? The Leather Jacket and The Leather armor that was about it. They had a black model for the Metal Armor, Combat Armor I’m not completely sure if there was a black model for it, but since only the lower part of your characters face is exposed how much space would it have possibly taken to paint it black. Powerarmor doesn’t expose anything so what’s the problem?


    I was referring to Jews owning all the business like the Gnome shop keepers. Also that *race* had bonus to haggle hence the stereotype of Jews being cheap and never paying full price for everything, then what else the big noises in the description. (dawn we are looking way too much into this)
     
  13. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
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    Jul 5, 2003
    Again: they had to make a seperate model and animations for every armor/weapon *combination*. That's a lot more.
     
  14. Sorrow

    Sorrow So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Feb 9, 2006
    Also, there would have to be a female black model.
    And a red haired model and asian model and and and and and...
     
  15. MediaMogul

    MediaMogul First time out of the vault

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    Jun 27, 2007
    well i guess the vaults needed their house niggers aswell
     
  16. 10mmCurator

    10mmCurator Mildly Dipped

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    Jan 23, 2007
    Omikron: The Nomad Soul had a black woman you could possess.... BG series had black pics, Urban Chaos you play a female black cop, True Crime: New York you play a black cop. Mercenaries you play a black Mercanary... Jagged Alliance I and II you had the option of hiring black mercenaries. I know this isn't much but they are out there.
     
  17. Von Drunky

    Von Drunky Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Mar 10, 2007
    Given that it’s the future from the 1950’s prospective the future would only consist of black and white.

    Another theory: The white character model could be passed of as Asian, Spanish, ect.. due to the poor graphics that were available at the time.

    Was Lynette the only black chick left in Fallout 2?



    No one ever claimed they weren’t around, like I said its just very limited.

    Now, do we want to keep "Niggas" out of our fantasy worlds or do we become PC or do we push for developers to expand our options in open ended RPGs?
     
  18. Per

    Per Vault Consort Staff Member Admin

    Apr 1, 2004
    Are you saying that if some people conceive of Jews as stereotypical shop owners, then if some other people make up a race of stereotypical shop owners, they are automatically riffing off the conceptions of the first group? They can't make up things independently of what some other people think? Anyone who goes to the metaphysical shop-owning slot to put something in it will find it already filled by stereotypical Jews?
     
  19. Sorrow

    Sorrow So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Feb 9, 2006
    I think that what we really need is a pink Vault Girl interface.
     
  20. Tannhauser

    Tannhauser Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Mar 18, 2004
    Or perhaps some of us don't believe it is quite the big issue you make it out to be, while not being racists?