Russia attacks Ukraine

donperkan said:
Plot twist: Russians crossed the border 6 months after americans decided to pick a side in a civil war.
We made sure that well before the Russian aggression happened, starting in September — the Russian aggression happened in February — starting in September, and then again in December, we quietly got a lot of weapons to Ukraine to make sure that they had in hand what they needed to defend themselves. Things like Stingers, Javelins that they could use that were instrumental in preventing Russia from taking Kyiv from rolling over the country, erasing it from the map and indeed pushing the Russians back.
Do you know who would be on the receiving end of those shiny new weapons if the russian army didnt intervene?
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Literally the only available source for this supposed quote is infobrics.org which names its source as... infobrics.org. How convenient. Infobrics is a disinformation website run by InfoRos, which is in turn run by a Russian military intelligence agency.

Edit: after some digging I found the NYT interview with Blinken.
 
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broneslav said:
When state X has a whole region or several regions in which 90% do not recognize X's jurisdiction, even with the support of international organizations. If X cannot suppress separatism in these regions even with the help of military force, X is a pseudo-state in relation to the rebellious regions.
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lol "that state is totally made up, here - I'm going to totally make up definitions for an actual state!"
 
broneslav said:
You are trying to play with near-moral categories. In order to talk about the justification of military actions, you must be an active combatant and fight for the Motherland, and not be an armchair analyst. And if you suddenly decided that I am trying to justify the invasion in eyes of Nazis, then you are clearly mistaken. The war will continue as long as the pseudo-state of Ukraine exists.
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I got my sources from the man himself during his interview with Tucker Carlson.

Well Tucker, first you have to go back to the beginning, hundreds of thousands of years ago when the seas boiled and the lands burned. deep in the frozen wastes of Hyperborea. Among the snow dunes and vast planes lived Sir Santa The Klaws, a ape like creature making crude toys out of dino bone and his own waste, hurling them at chimp like creatures with crinkled hands regardless of how they behaved that year. These so called toys were buried as witches and defecated upon or hurled at predators who were awoken by the searing grunts of the children. It wasn't a holly jolly christmas that year for many were killed.

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broneslav said:
what should I do? any definition has ever been invented. besides Ukraine there were also many pseudo-states. Georgia, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Ausztria–Magyarorszag, Königreich Preußen, Stormaktstiden, Rzeczpospolita, Third Reich, etc.
huge variety.
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what should you do? dude, how about shutting the fuck as an altertative to spouting gibberish?
 
Writing in endonyms is a clear sign of 200iq behaviour.
I also love how you include stormaktiden which only refers to Sweden for a couple of decades. Like, the Swedish state never disappeared, we're still here.
 
broneslav said:
Oh great! If you equate Stormaktstiden with Sweden, then I equate the Russian Empire with Russia. We are still here and we have the army and Putin.
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No, what I mean is that the Swedish state never ceased to exist or radically changed. It was never abolished and replaced with a new order, like Germany or Russia after WWI.
broneslav said:
And what does IQ have to do with it? I have the average IQ of an orc, which in human units is about 80. What are you counting on? Stop doing nonsense and come deport 100% of the Russian population from Crimea, my smart human friend.
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You know, you Russians are known for being rude, but it's just that you say it straight and to the face. The 200 iq bit is just an old meme, not something meant to be taken literally.
 
Trump will rescue both sides it's already happening. Nice cease fire Gaza ~ 5 days after Trump warned them. Oh and all that money to Ukraine, you know, all the weapons we send them and then the brass sells almost half of it on the black market? GONE! I'd be very surprised if Trump flexes on Putin to defend and pay that corrupt government in Ukraine.

Once that U.S. Taxpayer dollar isn't being spent there the war is OVER!
 
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broneslav said:
Tell these tales to the Karelians, Finns and residents of St. Petersburg. For them, Stormaktstiden is either a historical term or a pseudo-state that you are trying to raise from the grave.
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What are you even talking about? Yes, Sweden lost those territories, but the state emanating from Stockholm never stopped existing. The Swedish state has never been abolished or disbanded since its modern founding in 1521. Hence why differentiating stormaktstiden as a separate state from the current Swedish state is disingenuous.
 
What I wrote before is regarding those who settled in Crimea post-2014 invasion and illegal annexation. They are to be deported not because of their race and nationality, but by the fact that they are illegal immigrants.
 
That does not change the fact that the annexation was in violation of both international law and Ukraine's national sovereignty. If you were so sure of the population's pro-Russia attitude you wouldn't need the military to perform a coup de grace with green lite men. Do it the right way.
 
broneslav said:
1) I don't need advice from Nazis and people who think they know how and where to evict Russians. Come with your army and show how to segregate, evict and deport properly. Do it the right way.

2) If you are sure that you know how to return lands properly, then you can write a letter to Putin and point out the mistakes he made. Maybe next time he will annex the land taking into account your wishes. In any case, thank you very much for being so concerned about all these Crimean problems that were solved 8-9 years ago.
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Wrong forum. Fan fiction goes in here https://www.nma-fallout.com/forums/fan-art-fan-fiction.14/
 
TheGM said:
Where are these Nazis, are they in the room with you right now?
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But there is an increasing worry that while the Azov and other volunteer battalions might be Ukraine's most potent and reliable force on the battlefield against the separatists, they also pose the most serious threat to the Ukrainian government, and perhaps even the state, when the conflict in the east is over. The Azov causes particular concern due to the far right, even neo-Nazi, leanings of many of its members.

Dmitry claimed not to be a Nazi, but waxed lyrical about Adolf Hitler as a military leader, and believes the Holocaust never happened. Not everyone in the Azov battalion thinks like Dmitry, but after speaking with dozens of its fighters and embedding on several missions during the past week in and around the strategic port city of Mariupol, the Guardian found many of them to have disturbing political views, and almost all to be intent on "bringing the fight to Kiev" when the war in the east is over.

Btw remember that prison in Olenivka that was full of azov war prisoners and that just happened to be hit by a himars rocket. That was a weird coincidence dont you think?
 
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