Saving in combat, is it really that bad?

Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by Sduibek, Oct 3, 2013.

  1. Sduibek

    Sduibek Creator of Fallout Fixt Moderator Modder

    Oct 27, 2010
    It seems to be demonized quite a bit here, but I've never personally seen issues caused by saving in combat -- in Fallout 1.
    I've done savescumming in combat in Fallout 1 on at least a hundred occaisions (over the years. I've played since it was a brand new game) and I'm pretty sure it never caused issues, but everything you'll see says "SAVE DURING COMBAT IS BAAAAAAAD!"

    Are there significant differences between Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 in this regard?

    I think I saved during combat a lot in Fallout 2 as well, but, I haven't played that game in 5-to-10 years so don't trust my memory on that one. :roll:
     
  2. Lexx

    Lexx Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    Apr 24, 2005
    Interestingly I never felt the need to save in combat. If at all, I save *before* combat or after. IMO the generic Fallout combat encounter doesn't last long enough to really justify saving inbetween turns.

    If really needed, I would suggest a autosave feature right before combat starts.
     
  3. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010
    As Lexx said, I save before or after combat.
    Saving during combat would make my game crash when I try to load it.
     
  4. Languorous_Maiar

    Languorous_Maiar A Smooth-Skin

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    Oct 25, 2011
    After loading such save, enemy is always doing turn first.
    All order of combat is new, but supportng enemy.
    After 1/2 turns, it doesn't matter.
     
  5. Sduibek

    Sduibek Creator of Fallout Fixt Moderator Modder

    Oct 27, 2010
    Fallout 1 or 2?

    Not always. Depends on character's Sequence.
     
  6. woo1108

    woo1108 Vault Senior Citizen

    Sep 27, 2012
    I don't think combat is too long to require saving while combat.
     
  7. Languorous_Maiar

    Languorous_Maiar A Smooth-Skin

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    Oct 25, 2011
    Tha'ts the point. No matter if I had 10 agility + kamikadze + some addional stuff for sequence, or zero, after loading enemy is always starting the turn for me.
     
  8. Sduibek

    Sduibek Creator of Fallout Fixt Moderator Modder

    Oct 27, 2010
    Hmm. Fallout 1 or 2?

    That's what I'm trying to figure out, maybe there are major differences between the games in how they handle this stuff.
     
  9. Languorous_Maiar

    Languorous_Maiar A Smooth-Skin

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    Oct 25, 2011
    Fallout 2, as for 1, I don't know, didn't played this for so many h in last years.
     
  10. Sduibek

    Sduibek Creator of Fallout Fixt Moderator Modder

    Oct 27, 2010
    Okay, thanks. I get the feeling it's a difference in how Fallout 1 and 2 handle combat-saving.
     
  11. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    I have encountered problems during save/load in combat extremely rare, and I will routinely save during long, drawn out battles where critical failures are right around the corner.

    Also, Languorous, that too sounds weird to me. Save while you have 4 AP left to use - and once you load, it is the enemys turn? I load, and got 4 AP to use.

    I've always known FO shouldn't be saved and loaded during combat, even told this to people myself, but never had problems with it.
     
  12. Sduibek

    Sduibek Creator of Fallout Fixt Moderator Modder

    Oct 27, 2010
    I just tried save/load during combat in Temple of Trials in the RP and it worked fine for me. :shrug:
     
  13. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010
    2. Maybe 1 also, but I can't recall.

    I don't think it crashes always, but it can.
     
  14. Languorous_Maiar

    Languorous_Maiar A Smooth-Skin

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    Oct 25, 2011
    Yep.
     
  15. Matthews

    Matthews It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Aug 29, 2012
    I tend to avoid saving in mid-combat, seeing as I tend to get issues when loading the file again, examples are game crashes, corrupted savefile, game shuts down unexpectedly (Fallout 2, haven't played 1 for eternity).
     
  16. Sduibek

    Sduibek Creator of Fallout Fixt Moderator Modder

    Oct 27, 2010
    Do these crashes and issues also happen when saving at the beginning of combat turn, before any AP have been used?

    If someone who specifically gets those crashes is willing to test, that would be excellent :)

    It's looking like this is definitely much more of an issue in Fallout 2 than in the first game. Makes sense why I haven't seen it then.
     
  17. well-known stranger

    well-known stranger First time out of the vault

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    May 14, 2013
    Someone already mentioned the game crashing thing when saving during combat, and that's why I stopped doing it.
    I believe it was an old patch version, back when there was self replicating party members and stuff, that would always crash on save mid combat. I'm pretty sure fallout 2 would crash on save/reload as well, during an early version.

    So it's kind of superstitious. If I did save, I usually used a separate slot, but that was often too much work.
     
  18. Sduibek

    Sduibek Creator of Fallout Fixt Moderator Modder

    Oct 27, 2010
    Ah! Looks like there was some info provided on this recently. Apparently in the F2RP thread as well, although I don't follow that as much since it's so long.

    http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1029622

    So, generally speaking, if you save at the beginning of the combat round you should be OK.

    Makes sense why I never had issues with it.... I was probably just saving in situations where "mess-up-able" scripts weren't involved. Go figure :roll:
     
  19. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    This is so weird.
    I can't think of anything I have that others don't, XP, basicmost patches, RP, no crashes or issues during combat save, with or without remaining AP. I can load, and begin where I saved, AP and all.
     
  20. mobucks

    mobucks President of racism. Orderite

    May 22, 2010
    I never save in combat because my mom said if I did my testicles might pack up and leave town for good.