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Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by TheSnake, Dec 30, 2015.
Yes they have. Yes they have.
Ahhhh! You nearly blinded me! Why in the bloody bloody hell did he/she/it say that about main quest dialogue? How else are you supposed to do a main quest if you don't bother using things like words and conversations? Sign language, grunts, and staring at each other silently like idiots? All hope is lost...isn't it?
Hold the phone... I actually took a glimpse of that pile of trolldung of a thread.. Crafting FOOD? You "craft" food in FO4? Enlighten me on this one. And holy crap, to put it blunt, no dialog = freedom. The end of humanity is nigh if the common so called gamer is like that. Oh dear lord. Factions that matter? Isn't it possible to join all of them? Except the bad guys of course.
Btw, Mercenarysnake, it really seems like what ever the casual 'gamer' calls boring, equals good these days, doesn't it? I guess anything that isn't constant predigested sensory overload is considered boring? I like the the games in which there's freedom to choose the pace of the game... As in turn based system. But that's of course badly outdated and boring.
I really liked cooking food in New Vegas, because hardcore mode gave you a reason to eat (and it's a fun bit of roleplaying to try to keep all the recipes in your head as you wander the wastes, and think "Do I need agave for that or banana yucca?") The problem with cooking in Skyrim and Fallout 4 is that there's really no reason to do it, or to even eat food at all really.
Not implementing hardcore mode at all in Fallout 4 just seems like a curious oversight.
I got stuck with the 'crafting' thing. It somehow sounded like there's some magic involved.
One simply cannot force someone to be open minded if said person prefers to consider it outdated and would rather play a first person shooter because it's more "immersive". We are likely in the minority and they're most likely in the majority.
Its unfortunate really... On the other hand the percieved boringness is a sign of something worth checking out. Oh and the "immersion" thing, that term is thrown around as if it excludes certain genres and games completely. It can only be immersive if [insert excuse for gaming which requires no brainwork what so ever]. I'm able to enjoy a good RPG and also a straight forward shooter game, although these days I'm so busy with music I rarely play much anything. I remember back in the day while playing stuff like Doom, Quake, Heretic or Hexen, I always had this kind of "role playing" thing even in those games, I was creating a character and story in my mind while playing... That was part of the thrill of playing these games, all the action is right there, but the story and depth is lacking and with some creative thought simple shooter game grows into something far greater.
Its so weird how these things have changed. I know I'm not the only one who back in the day "made" simple games into way bigger experience just by using ones own mind and imagination. A good in-depth RPG can offer gazillion times more on this regard and then there comes this generation of idiots who seem to be hell bent on playing games which will never ever challenge their minds in any kind of way. Role playing games are notorious for this aspect of making the player think and be smart, that's what got me hooked. How does it work for kids these days? I guess my comprehension just isn't on par of these imbecils.
It's sort of sad that "immersion" became such a buzzword in games and people talk about it like it's an objective thing. When we say that we're "immersed" in a game what we're really saying is that you get really wrapped up in it, just like you can get really wrapped up in a book, or a movie, or any other piece of fiction that really connects with you and captures your intense interest. Since people get really into different books, movies etc. it shouldn't be a surprise in any shape, way, or form that one person can get really into a game that another person can't.
Like personally I'm bored to tears with the manshoots, but if you really connect with the sort of heroic soldier saving your country narrative in Call of Duty, good for you. But let's not talk about it being "immersive" as though that's an actual property of the game, not simply a description of your relationship with the game.
tfw immersion is bar irony + criticism the most significant factor in games and alleged human beings have reduced it to being a meme
Oh, this guy. I know him. He always posts giant paragraphs and when people rip it to pieces or call him out on something, he never really responds again or defends his point. Rinse and repeat.
I am positively convinced that he's just trolling. No one with a freaking "doctorate" would be as dense as that. Unless that doctorate is referring to something else I might not be aware of? Maybe an euphemism?
Also, just out of curiosity, did you find this on the Codex as well? I don't think any other place would actually screencap responses like this (for laughs, I assume).
Yes, I couldn't resist after seeing it. I doubt they're trolling, don't you think they would do it on another forum? I think they're serious when they say this shit sadly.
Oh they are, they fucking are!
In the latest glory of the official forums, did nobody notice that the guy compares the UI of the Pipboy in Fallout 1 and 4 and goes on to say this art of beauty?
Like Fallout 1 made the stupid choice of putting the inventory management on the Pipboy...
And actually I back Beth up there. Changing the Pipboy's UI would just be yet another annoying retcon. That's precisely why you don't put things that should get updated from release to release there, you don't want to guarantee you'll need a retcon for every game you put out there. Like, you know, the inventory. So, technically, it is worse than a game made in 1997.
I kind of respect the author for this one alone, though:
The poster seems critical enough, even though I vastly disagree with their notion that they are 'great' games. Specially their first pro is a bit tongue-in-cheek if you think about it. Not only they recognize there is something lacking there, but it adds even more to the notion that Beth's wasteland is awfully retarded. They have to depend on the PC even for basic settling. WTF, dude?
Of course, DA MEGATON PIMP! must be so deep himself...
Who would honestly put such a shitty town in their username? One of the stupidest settlements I've ever heard of, I still remember the one Beth fan saying that the bomb is there to keep raiders away. So they'll mass suicide if raiders make it into their town? Who am I kidding the same people making suicider super mutants that are sterile but show no preservation of life because fuck logic.
Ehhh... while the pros are exaggerated and the major pros are very, very exaggerated, the cons seems to be about right. I'm not actually seeing stupidity in the main post, maybe a bit of over-excitement. Is it one of the comments below I'm missing here?
Also, Bethesda games are compared to a standard of Bethesda games. They are no longer, by anyone outside NMA, compared to old Fallout games (even if they should be), so in that context, a lot of the compliments directed at the game are fair.
Also also, what the hell do you have against casual gamers?
Look at the major pros. If you can't find stupidity god help you.
Eh. They're desperate defenses. Like I said before, had I not learned what NMA was, I probably would've said the same things using a throwaway account on this forum. No joke. No matter how well you can comprehend things, everyone looses grip of logic once in a while.
When someone says stuff like that, it's not a clear sign of stupidity. It's a clear sign that their backs or against the wall defending this stuff, and that sooner or later they're going to turn over and move off the series.
People are a lot less loyal than they seem. I've defended the dumbest of things when I'm in my sleepy haze, so I'm not putting it against any of the people posting there, no matter how stupid the major pros were. Which they were - they're so nonexistent, plus are abstract concepts (player freedom, self pacing), so it's a trait of "I mean, there has to be something good about it" last straw apologists.
Too quick to judge, guys, sheesh. Far as I know, there are probably a few of us here who've been that dumb before. And if you say no, you're probably lying.
Defending a game to the letter like that? Never, one of my favourite games is Morrowind and I damn well know it's flawed as fuck.
You're taking a post on the Internet too seriously. I could make Fallout 4 look like a paragon of video game design to the eyes of people asking for game suggestions if we're talking on the Internet. Would you really assume someone's actually that passionate about an incredibly flawed game in real life?
Look, Fallout 4 is, by a lot of people's definition (not all), a casual game, and I'm partly a casual gamer myself, so you won't see me with the eye to pick off what's wrong with it detail by detail. Even then, I can tell what's wrong and what's right (not much) with it from an average glance. I could still write something as long as that post about what my opinion is. My point is - it just feels pointless and overdramatic to consider that post a good indicator of whether they're stupid or not.
if you're judging someone by way of the Internet, it's essentially equal to judging someone while they're drunk, because about the same amount of intelligence is put in. NMA's the exception to this standard, not the rule. The same way Interplay's Fallout was the exception to the game industry and not the rule.
If there's offense in the following statement, it's definitely intended. You expect too much.
As has been stated above on quite a few posts, it seems that Mr. Howard and Zenimax Media are just after profits and don't really care about the Fallout franchise's "original culture" anymore.
Though what they've done is a great "for profits" business model, I for one will not be buying any more products made by them as I have completely lost my trust for them. I hope a lot more people are like me and refuse to buy any products made by Zenimax Media in protest.
At least I still have highly-modded Fallout 3 to play.
However, I've been spending a lot more time in an indie survival sim (semi-RPG) called "the long dark."