Should NCR collapse and the games return to the West Coast?

Discussion in 'Future Fallout Game Discussion' started by CT Phipps, Sep 21, 2016.

  1. Izak

    Izak I Shot The ALBATROSS

    Jan 29, 2016
    Well, yeah. Under Lanius the Legion would collapse rather quickly; under Vulpes or Lucius or someone that isn't entirely incompetent the Legion would have a chance of fucking the NCR right up.
     
  2. Prone Squanderer

    Prone Squanderer A bit of a Sillius Soddus.

    Jan 3, 2016
    There was a time in the Fallout series when nuclear weapons were extremely rare, and those who happened to find them didn't take them lightly. These are weapons which wiped out nearly all life on Earth, not something you just scavenge or create out of junk you find lying around.

    A reason why I can't stand the Fatman. It trivializes the danger nuclear weapons possessed.
     
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  3. NovaRain

    NovaRain Casual Modder Modder

    Mar 10, 2007
    That's why I always stash Fat Man, mini nuke, or any other nuclear weapons I can find in my personal locker, no more nukes in my game!
    I was hoping New Vegas wouldn't have these portable nuclear weapon bullshit (no, don't tell me Davy Crockett) and seriously disappointed when finding them in the game. Well, at least they're much less common than in FO3/4.
     
  4. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    While not nuclear weapons as the reason they were caused, I find this to be a rather bizarre criticism as both Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 end in the nuclear annihilation of their respective villains.

    Hence, "War never changes."
     
  5. Prone Squanderer

    Prone Squanderer A bit of a Sillius Soddus.

    Jan 3, 2016
    I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say with the first part, but how is what I said a bizarre criticism? I didn't say nuclear weapons were non-existent, I said they were rare. The Master could very well have managed to find one given he had an entire army of mutants searching for Vaults, which themselves are usually hidden. As for the Enclave, are you really surprised that a Pre-War organisation that had political and military links happened to possess one?

    Besides the Enclave wasn't destroyed by its bomb, they were destroyed when the Chosen One sabotages the oil rig's reactor. You can use the bomb, but it's an instant game over.

    "War never changes" refers to the fact humanity will always find a reason to fight itself, whether it's over resources, ideology, race etc.
     
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  6. Stellaris isn't mainstream at all tho. It's not trying anyway
     
  7. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    I'm saying nuclear weapons have a history in the setting.

    Van Buren was going to end in multiple sites getting nuked.

    I could easily see NCR figuring they need some.
     
  8. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Where would they get it though?
     
  9. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    The United States undoubtedly had a strategic reserve.
     
  10. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    That's not a good argument, that's a massive assumption that there are any near the NCR.
     
  11. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    NCR has the resources and agents to seek them out. Unlike other groups.
     
  12. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Again, you can't find what isn't there. And you're assuming there's something to find.
     
  13. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    Wait, weren't the nukes in Van Buren located on an orbital bombing platform? So there could be a stash of nukes around but they cannot be reached with the current tech level of the people of the Wasteland. However, only a mad genius like Doctor Presper (Elijah probably could come close but at least he came up with a more down-to-earth, no pun intended, plan) could come up with a way to trigger the launch of those nukes, find a way onto the platform and figure out the launch codes for launching said nukes. No one else in the NCR at the moment fits that description (http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Ballistic_Orbital_Missile_Base_001 and http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Victor_Presper)

    The NCR would need to achieve stable and safe space flight to even access or control those nukes to begin with. With that in mind, access to that stash of nukes is technically impossible (unless the NCR managed to perfect space flight which so far, has not happened and they'll have bigger concerns like real world problems)
     
  14. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Monkeys? Coding the launch computers?

    Heh, maybe some things in Van Buren were missed out for the better...
     
  15. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    Yeah, the New Plague idea may have worked for mass extinction but orbital nuclear missiles...? That may have gone too far there...
     
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  16. CaptJ

    CaptJ The Rival of Roquefort Hall

    587
    Jan 19, 2016
    I overall like the story of FO:NV better but Van Buren had a lot of ideas that good too. Orbital missiles were there for a third arc conflict and it needed to be something of a greater threat than the New Plague.
     
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  17. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    At least Presper's plans were tied into the missiles rather than have some "synths are sentient" conflict ball bolted onto the Fallout franchise and I agree that Van Buren had some good ideas. Some of the design documents on Van Buren were fascinating to read through to say the least.

    Sadly we will never know if Interplay would have succeeded in execution for Van Buren since there would have been a chance that the ideas that sound goofy to us now could have worked well with proper execution.
     
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  18. Izak

    Izak I Shot The ALBATROSS

    Jan 29, 2016
    The orbital nuclear missiles were made to handle the New Plague, if an infected person escaped confinement the nukes would purify the area that the infectee escaped to.
     
  19. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    Ah, that explains why the wiki page mentioned that Presper made sure the infected in the prison were allowed to escape to outlying settlements.
     
  20. CaptJ

    CaptJ The Rival of Roquefort Hall

    587
    Jan 19, 2016
    After Bethesda made their Force Awakens that made everyone forget what the number three means, Bethesda decided to make their own content. Just asking but does the Institute need to be evil to achieve their goal? Even if it was yes, were they bad enough to need to be the main antagonist instead of just being a city of assholes like Vault City?