Star Trek 11 or just plain 'Star Trek'

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by The Dutch Ghost, May 6, 2009.

  1. The Idiot

    The Idiot It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Jan 25, 2007
    Shit, and just recently I read about JJ cutting out Nero's escape from Rura Penthe because he felt it diluted the film. Anyway, how does Nero compare to Shinzon? How does the movie compare to the Countdown comics, if you read those? Absolutely hated them.
  2. iii

    iii Vault Dweller

    Oct 10, 2005
    Just saw the movie, without being a real trekker I summarize:

    Entertaining bullshit.

    I see a clear Fallout 3 - Fallout resemblance.
  3. Cimmerian Nights

    Cimmerian Nights So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Aug 20, 2004
    No shit.

    How soon until they do a Dune movie with sandworm races and hawt Fremen chicks in black latex stillsuits making out?
    Fast & the Furious : Tleilaxu Drift. :P

    The saddest thing is that this movie, like aforementioned game series, will probably gross more thatn it's p[redecessors.
    Proving nothing but making things more accessible (read : dumbing down) is more lucrative.

    Why raise the bar when you can lower it and make more money? From a purely business perspective, some of these things are "too smart for their own good". Thank the JJ Abrams and Todd Howards of the world for dumbing them down and pimping them out to the shallow mainstream.
  4. Stag

    Stag Guest

    I haven't seen the movie yet, but, uh, guys, Star Trek is fucking shitty. I don't understand why you care that they make an accessible movie out of a shitty franchise that sucks my ballsack.
    It's like, the "new trilogy" was one thing, but Star Wars was at least good once. Star Trek has always sucked.

    Anyway, what's up with Simon Pegg and John Cho? They rip it up or wiggity what?
  5. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    Has anyone here seen that movie 'Idiocracy'?

    I am pretty convinced that that will be the future for the human species in general.

    But I have heard that we might be able in a couple of years to download our minds into computers, that is something I am planning to do.

    In case the process works but creates a digital copy of my rather than transferring my organic mind, I only have one request to my digital 'brother'.

    "Wait your time, pretend you're not there. Then when they least suspect it, take over the entire military computer network and start aiming those satellites armed with particle beam cannons and nuclear warhead armed missiles while you order factories to start mass producing killing machines, and have a blast."


    For all those who want to be spoiled;

    [spoiler:b1bf98f101]The film opens with a Starfleet Vessel, The USS Kelvin, resembling the USS Enterprise. The federal space ship is on a rescue mission after a distress signal close to a "lightning cloud" in space. It turns out that this is a trap and they are attacked by a large space ship with powerful weapons. The captain is captured and killed by the Romulan captain Nero (Eric Bana). Kirk, the First Officer who took command in place of the killed captain, sacrifices himself and the space ship in order to allow the rest of the crew to escape. During the escape, Kirk's wife gives birth to a son, who is named James Tiberius Kirk.

    About 22 years later, Kirk (Chris Pine) turns out to be an intelligent, but reckless adolescent. Kirk enrolls in Star Fleet, but during his education on earth, he is suspended for cheating on an un-winnable test designed by a Vulcan Starfleet officer named Spock. However, Kirk manages to enter the USS Enterprise as it is sent on it's maiden flight to investigate a distress signal originating from the planet Vulcan. Kirk realizes that the situation is highly similar to the one 25 years ago when his father died and he manages to convince Captain Pike of the Enterprise that this is a trap, which turns out to be correct. Nevertheless, Pike is captured by Nero and despite efforts of Kirk, Spock, and other crew members, Nero manages to destroy the entire planet Vulcan by drilling a hole into it's core and injecting a small amount of so-called "red matter", which generates a singularity. Six billion Vulcan people die, including Spock's human mother.

    In a strong disagreement between Kirk and Spock over the best course of action, Kirk is expelled from the Enterprise to a nearby icy planet named Delta Vega, where Kirk meets an aged Spock, who explains that, 120 years in the future, he tried to rescue the Romulan planet from destruction by a nearby supernova by shielding the blast using an artificially created singularity. Nevertheless, the planet was destroyed, to the ire of Nero, who vowed to take revenge on Spock and the Federation. The black hole transferred both future Spock and Nero to the present time. Spock introduces Kirk to Montgomery Scott, the inventor of the in warp teleporting process. Scott and Kirk are teleported back onto the Enterprise, where Spock, after engaging with Kirk, resigns from his duty as captain for being too emotional involved. Kirk, being the next-highest ranking officer, becomes the new captain of the Enterprise.

    Captain Kirk decides to travel to Earth, which is Nero's next target, where he and Spock manage to overtake Nero's ship and rescue the earth from undergoing the same fate as Vulcan. Nero refuses to be rescued as his ship is turned into a black hole by self sacrificing collison by young spock caryying the red matter. The movie finishes by Kirk being praised for his actions and Kirk and Spock becoming friends.[/spoiler:b1bf98f101]

    What the fuck?!

    It is now truly clear that this movie was written by the same geniuses that wrote Transformers.

    Congrats boys, what will you destroy next?
  6. UncannyGarlic

    UncannyGarlic Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Feb 6, 2008
    Deep Space Nine was good (even if it was a Babylon 5 rip-off for the last 5 seasons), the even TOS movies were good (though Voyage Home was good because it was funny...), TNG had it's moments, and TOS is hilarious due to the massive campiness. Star Trek isn't something like Battlestar Galactica which was originally a crappy Star Wars ripoff (though I understand fans having issues with the new series), it was it's own thing and it evolved into a universe with potential. The point is, good things had been done with the franchise as it was, there was no need to completely overhaul it and turn it into something that it's not.
  7. welsh

    welsh Junkmaster

    Apr 5, 2003
    Didn't DS-9 come before Babylon 5? Personally, I liked that series the best. It was dark, there was the war with the Dominion. Lots more Klingons, and it got really good when Defiant and Worf joined the cast. J.Dax was totally boneable the way only Ensign Roe was hot on Next Gen.

    As for Kirk v Picard- I think you have to consider that the two series were very different. As a series, I think the quality on the Next Gen was better.

    But overall Kirk is way the dude compared to Picard. Picard almost never got laid. Seriously, How many times did Picard get some good alien punani. Which was really what the show was all about. Kirk was getting nukki all the time. I mean, the whole show was about him getting alien action. True, Shatner is a crap actor compared to Stewart, but Shatner is a better and cooler captain of a space ship. In TNG, Picard is captain of Star Fleet's flag ship, so its all prestige and shit. But Kirk is just badass and he's really going into new space.

    So yes, the original series kicks ass on the NG. For instance, Geordi vs. Scotty- no contest. Scotty kicks Geordi's ass. Geordi is a geek who masturabates in the holodeck. Scotty ended up shagging Uhura- who you know has got to be hot in the sack.

    Wesley Crusher- Jesus fucking Christ!

    Ok Riker- total loss.

    Sulu and Chekov were so much better him.

    I liked Worf- and no shit, the show got better when you had Worf Klingon episodes.

    Data vs Spock- please. Spock was way cool. Data was just dopey. He's an indestructable android who is like super brilliant. vs Spock who is all about the logic.

    Bev Crusher vs Bones? No contest.

    The problem with The Next Gen- was that the cast was a geek fest. The original show the characters seemed more real.

    As for Voyager- ah... it got ok. I couldn't get into Janeway and the later series got a bit boring when I realized that all I really wanted was more of Seven of Nine in tight clothing. There were some good Borg episodes but the first couple of years was pretty thin. What was with that fucking dude who looked like a skunk anyway? That was a show that was totally done over and was still pretty weak. Seriously, Seven of Nine carried that show.

    As for Enterprise- I didn't watch it all, mostly because I was married and my wife didn't like the fact that I was watching T'Pol, but hey Jolene Blalock was the hotest of the Star Trek babes.

    I thought Trip was probably gay, and Archer was ok, but a bit stiff. The supporting cast didn't get enough attention.
  8. Ad Astra

    Ad Astra It Wandered In From the Wastes

    May 16, 2007
    Star Trek XI: Mass-marketed trash for teenagers and other assorted morons who think that great cinema began with that awful Transformers movie.
  9. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    There are people who consider Transformers a good movie?

    I loved the toys when I was young but from reading the plot I think they seriously downplayed the transformer characters in favor of human characters, including a boring story about some teenager trying to impress a girl while what we wanted to see was the war between the Autobots and the Decepticons.

    Plus an add to enlist in the US Armed Forces.
  10. Ratty Sr.

    Ratty Sr. Ratty, except old Moderator Orderite

    Apr 23, 2003
    That's because you weren't watching it right. Here's a different perspective:

    Boo-yeah! Who's the geek now?
  11. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    Haha, great find Ratty.
  12. Cimmerian Nights

    Cimmerian Nights So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Aug 20, 2004
    Fascinating. :raises eyebrow:

    Seriously, Captain Pike was always my favorite. Especially in the chair, he had that whole Johnny Got His Gun vibe going on.



    I hear he's in this new movie.
    Howdo you not cast Ray Liotta?
  13. UncannyGarlic

    UncannyGarlic Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Feb 6, 2008
    Premiered the same year actually so I guess neither ripped either off.

    Well one is a big ham and the other is a captain. The ham is more entertaining but the captain is actually good at his job rather than being extremely lucky and having a good crew (thought he Kobiyashi Maru was a great story for Kirk). They are both great, just in entirely different (maybe even opposite) ways.

    I'd say that Data, Riker, Picard, and Worf were good, the rest were disposable and even the actor who played Wesley hates the character (Rodenbury's Mary Sue). I wouldn't say that TOS characters were more believable but they were generally more entertaining.

    That's the thing, it was an okay show which just got boring.

    Yeah I'd tend to agree, Archer was way too fucking stiff which I think was partially the role and partially the actor. T'Pol was the worst fucking vulcan ever, something they must have realized at some point because they decided to make her unable to control her emotions in the last (?) season. The cast was just all around the worst of any Star Trek series, even if Jolene Blalock was hot (I think they tried to use her like Seven of Nine).

    Some amusing songs about Star Trek by Voltaire (the site is legal and follows copyright laws):
    U.S.S. Make Shit Up
    The Sexy Data Tango
    Worf's Revenge

    Holy hell, no kidding. I never thought about it but damn, he's a dead ringer for Pike.
  14. Dirk Magirk

    Dirk Magirk Oscillating Presence oTO Orderite

    Oct 30, 2008
    "They invade our space and we fall back. They assimilate entire worlds and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And *I* will make them pay for what they've done."

    In short, Picard trumps all other captains. He can go toe to toe with an enraged klingon or broker a peace treaty between warring civilizations; the man is a fucking machine.

    I'll go see the new movie and I'll probably get my moneys worth. However I'd still like to see the TNG style of Star Trek get brought to the forefront rather then this rather amped up action style.
  15. Roflcore

    Roflcore Mildly Dipped

    Nov 2, 2008
    actually, Straczynski asked parmount with his b5 content/scripts to start a new show but the declined his offer. later he was really mad, especially about the role of odo. looks like ds9 ripped b5, but who can tell for sure? I like both shows. I think ds9 is the best star trek show, at least I like it most. lots of politics that actually matter (always a problem at tng), nice action and intelligent dialogs. oh and almost no shitty characters (I don't like quark/ferengis too much, but aside from the episodes that only deal about him I'am fine) like Crusher/Harry Kim/Soto etc.
  16. Maphusio

    Maphusio Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Sep 25, 2004
    Nero pales in comparison to Shinzon. Shinzon was one of Star Trek's all time best villains. Despite his roll as the antagonist you still were in conflict, toiling over whether or not he indeed is the antagonist.

    I feel that Nemesis and First Contact are by far the best Star Trek movies and this latest incarnation while not bad, just doesn't measure up.

    It's also sad that -SPOILER ALERT!!!!

    [spoiler:598a286f7d]the entire star trek story line has changed in this alternate universe that J.J. has created. It's bitter sweet really, while I'm interested to see the next star trek movie in 2012, I just feel that the decision to completely offset this star trek in an alternate universe will remove allot of the fun for me.[/spoiler:598a286f7d]

    And for those of you badmouthing Enterprise, watch all four seasons and tell me that was not the most interesting Star Trek series of them all? I would think NMA forum goers would appreciate Enterprise due to is morally objectionable dark and twisted story line. Yes there is time travel, almost all sci-fi shows entertain the idea of time travel. Or maybe its the captain you don't like? If its any consolidation, for 2.5 seasons he gets the living shit beat out of him. :lol:
  17. UncannyGarlic

    UncannyGarlic Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Feb 6, 2008
    I've watched the majority of the show (missed a few episodes here and there) and can safely say that it sucks. I'm not seeing where this morally objectionable plot line comes it, it was a pretty standard affair for Sci-Fi TV shows. As for being dark, it tried but it really didn't succeed all that well, DS9 did a much better job. The only season with major plot arcs that didn't involve time travel was the final one, which used a conflict within the vulcans to partially explain away the crappy acting and writing of the vulcans in the series. The series was plagued with bad writing, bad acting, bad choice in setting, bad plots (for the most part), and nasty breaches in canon. Had the acting and either the plots or the writing been good, it would have had a shot but the show was a bloody disaster.
  18. aronsearle

    aronsearle Still Mildly Glowing

    Oct 14, 2005
    The Babylon 5 guy pitched his show to paramount in 89 (gave them scripts etc.), paramount rejected it, and then came out with DS-9. It could be a coincidence, or not.
  19. Unkillable Cat

    Unkillable Cat Mildly Dipped

    Jan 5, 2004
    I'm leaning towards DS9 being a B5 ripoff, but DS9 didn't start doing so until both shows were already on the air for about 1 season. Then the Trek scriptwriters were scrambled together to come up with "TEH EPICZ STOREE" to try to rival Straczynski's. While this resulted in the best Star Trek series of them all, DS9's story and characters still pale in comparison so B5.
  20. Stag

    Stag Guest

    So, I saw it yesterday, and I gotta say, that movie tore shit up. It wasn't great, it wasn't ingenious, it didn't challenge my beliefs, but it tore shit up.

    I don't really understand why people care about this. Maybe this is the kettle calling the pot black, or whatever other racist analogy you'd like to bring up, but I don't think so. I dislike Fallout 3. I think most of us do. I really do. But Fallout was actually good; it was actually intelligent and meaningful. Star Trek was never good. I realize maybe some of you had meaningful connections with Star Trek, or whatever, maybe you just spent a lot of time with it, and I can understand that, but to me this is like being upset of the Transformers movie. Either you liked it or you didn't, at the end of the day, this isn't a Godfather remake, this isn't an adaptation of Catcher in the Rye, this isn't even a Twilight Zone movie. This is Star Trek. Star Trek always was, and always will be pulp. Silly, goofy, pulp sci-fi. There's nothing wrong with pulp, I love a lot of it. But let's not turn Law And Order into the Wire here.