Star Trek 11 or just plain 'Star Trek'

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by The Dutch Ghost, May 6, 2009.

  1. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 3, 2003
    Good Frith...

    This was a fun film, and I actually liked the acting, but by Inlè...the dialogue was cliche, the story retarded, the plot holes huge and gaping.

    I know Star Trek is supposed to be camp, but there's a difference between camp and just plain stupid.
     
  2. UniversalWolf

    UniversalWolf eaten by a grue.

    Aug 28, 2005
    And yet, it was fun...
    :facepalm:
     
  3. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 3, 2003
    Yes. Just like Commando is a lot of fun to watch. It's roughly on the same qualitative level, just with a higher budget.
     
  4. UniversalWolf

    UniversalWolf eaten by a grue.

    Aug 28, 2005
    My only defense of Star Trek is that it's better than a stupid movie that isn't fun to watch.
     
  5. Cimmerian Nights

    Cimmerian Nights So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Aug 20, 2004
    Is this your first Star Trek movie?
    Imagine all that plus Shatner you've got the first 6 Star Trek movies.

    Not to say they aren't fun, but between Shatner's hammy delivery, his toupes, and the fact that they insist on him engaging in hand-to-hand combat scenes well into his 60s - camp personified.

    Christ, then there was that one he wrote and directed.
    And the one where he fought himself:
    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJpXKXvI2cM[/youtube]
    How sublime, the only footage on youtube is from the MST3K guys.
     
  6. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 3, 2003
    Yes, they were just as bad in writing. Your point being?
     
  7. Cimmerian Nights

    Cimmerian Nights So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Aug 20, 2004
    Sounds like par for the course to me. Not in any rush to see this new one, but Star Trek is best when it's campy. Is Wrath of Khan still not the gold standard? If Ricardo Montalban quoting Melville doesn't make you giggle then you're dead.
     
  8. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 3, 2003
    As I said, "I know Star Trek is supposed to be camp, but there's a difference between camp and just plain stupid."

    I think Star Trek 11 is more stupid than camp.
     
  9. Chancellor Kremlin

    Chancellor Kremlin Mildly Dipped

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    Nov 17, 2008
    I'm a couple of months late, but having just watched it, my thoughts...

    Good film overall, but as others have already pointed out with the FO3 analogy, its an action flick set in a Star Trek universe.

    Plot wise, what bothered me the most was the massive coincidence of Kirk finding the same cave Spock was marooned to. I mean, what?

    Secondly, you are telling me that two guys can shoot this massive drill down with small arms fire, but all the vulcans/humans do is sit there and watch? Where are the missiles, railguns, lasers, phasers, photon torpedoes, shuttlecraft or anything else that could be flown into this massive drill drilling a hole into your planet?

    And thirdly, yeah, Nero going back in time to try and kill the guy who actually tried to save his race, planet and wife. Surely it would make more sense to go after the guys who did nothing?

    Acting wise, it was good. Action wise, same. Script and story wise though, which are my main points of interest, not good at all.
     
  10. Public

    Public Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    May 18, 2006
    G.I.Joe was fun, retarded...funnily retarded. You can just watch it wasted and laugh from how stupid it is.

    Transformers 2 was retarded and boring. G.I.Joe at least had some cool looking action, where Transformers' action was "RUN! EXPLODE! RUN! EXPLODE!"
     
  11. SimpleMinded

    SimpleMinded Vault Fossil

    Jun 17, 2003
    Chancellor, that's the way I was feeling with the giant drill. Like wait... if that's all it took, why could NOBODY else do a damned thing here? It didn't even require a BIG gun, just fire ANY weapon into the thing and it woudl break lol
     
  12. Chancellor Kremlin

    Chancellor Kremlin Mildly Dipped

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    Nov 17, 2008
    Exactly, they could have at least spared a couple of seconds to explain it was shielded and the only way to disable the shield was by destroying the ship, which would explain why everybody targeted the ship rather than the drill itselt, which is what is causing the damage.

    That and how Kirk easily gained command after ''showing Spock was emotionally compromised by the mission''. Surely Starfleet should be able to understand that a captain who has just witnessed the destruction of his homeworld and death of his mother is still a better leader than an arrogant, cheating and academically disqualified captain wannabe. Interestingly, it would seem there was nobody better qualified on that bridge than Kirk, as nobody challenged him on it. A better explanation would be like the Klingons, where if you want the captains chair, you challenge the captian, win, and earn it, which is pretty much what Kirk did (fighting included).

    I don't know... its too cheap a star trek movie (which is ironic seeing as it was the one with the highest budget and also the highest grossing one) ...

    Sad days.
     
  13. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    Meh, I have come to the conclusion that the Star Trek that made me a fan and followed fervently has died some time ago, starting with Star Trek Enterprise and being followed up by making it 'for the masses'.

    Rather the same that is happening with gaming.
     
  14. [PCE]el_Prez

    [PCE]el_Prez Vault Fossil

    Apr 25, 2003
    I've never watched Star Trek on TV. I've never seen a Star Trek movie previous to this one that just came out. However, what I don't know about the series I've pretty much picked up from millions of pop culture references.

    That being said I loved the new Star Trek. Sure, just as many plot holes as any other sci fi movie but it had an intriguing storyline, great acting, and a steady dose of action and laughter. Pure popcorn blockbuster. Definitely got me interested in a franchise that I had previously despised..
     
  15. Chancellor Kremlin

    Chancellor Kremlin Mildly Dipped

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    Nov 17, 2008
    Its interesting you say that, you say you never watched any series, or any previous movies, yet ''hate the franchise''. I don't see how thats fair to the franchise, especially if all you know about it is from pop references which will inevitably present a less than accurate portrayal, and mostly from a comedic side.

    ''A steady dose of action and laughter'' is pretty much what got this movie through, and while that may be adequate for a popcorn blockbuster, its not Star Trek. I'm not saying Star Trek movies shouldn't have these, but they shouldn't rely solely on this combo for a movie, Star Trek is a lot deeper than this. I recommend you watch Star Trek First Contact. Let me know what you think.
     
  16. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    He probably doesn't know the Borg or the whole storyline about them so the movie most likely will not say anything to him.
     
  17. Chancellor Kremlin

    Chancellor Kremlin Mildly Dipped

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    Nov 17, 2008
    True, but there is one Star Trek movie I particularly liked because of what I thought was a healthy dose of action and intelligent story. The characters have motives, Picard's above all, the film goes a good way to explaining these without a prior knowledge of Star Trek being required.

    The Borg also don't really need prior understanding, all you need to know from them is provided when greet you ''You will be assimilated'' ''Resistance is futile'' and the likes of ''Will is irrelevant'' lol ....
     
  18. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    Yeah, I know other ST fans who feel that ST First Contact is a good introduction of Star Trek to people not familiar with the franchise.

    I guess Wrath of Khan might be another good one.
     
  19. [PCE]el_Prez

    [PCE]el_Prez Vault Fossil

    Apr 25, 2003
    Well it's obviously not fair but that's life. Can you really blame me though? Star Trek got famous before I was born. By the time I would have been old enough to appreciate Star Trek everyone I knew thought it was lame and there was a social stigma attached to liking it. I even remember asking my dad as a kid if Star Trek was any good and he said "The original series was good but these new ones are crap" or something like that.

    Are you serious? I think you give more credit to Star Trek than you want to admit. Star Trek attempts to be "scientific" yet it's based off of absurd physics. Commanders in Star Trek attempt to be "Strategic" but in the end it just comes down to a fist fight.
    If you think Star Trek should be shooting for anything deeper than a summer blockbuster than your crazy.


    I have a buddy who informed me that he watched a good deal of Star Trek over the years. In fact, we saw the new movie together a few months ago. He loved it as well. Said it was everything ST was supposed to be.
     
  20. UniversalWolf

    UniversalWolf eaten by a grue.

    Aug 28, 2005
    Are we talking about this movie again? Hilarious!

    I think Star Trek died after Wrath of Khan, and this movie ressurected it as a "popcorn blockbuster". Excellent description.

    I wonder whether there's a Wrath of Khan DVD available with the episode from the original series where Khan is introduced. I'd buy that, actually.