Stupid Watergate - or how to impeach Donald Trump.

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Crni Vuk, Oct 6, 2019.

  1. GonZo_626

    GonZo_626 Well Shit!

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    Jul 29, 2016
    Blah blah blah Trump bad....


    Your right they should not have had to invade on a completely fabricated lie, but on the truth that So Damn Insane there was a genocidal prick who was wiping out the Kurds, but you know the US allies did not find that a good enough reason.....


    “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”Edmund Burke. You seem to like the nothing approach.

    In the end Crni your speech here reminds me alot of our Lame Duck PM Trudeau and his most recent speech on the Ukrainian plane that was filled with Canadians that went down. Its general sentiment was. "It appears that Iran shot down the plane, it may be unintentional, and it is too early to go about blaming the US for this until we know what happened." I am getting real sick of the "Lefts" attitude toward being attacked by other countries and the whole apologetic bend over and take it attitude you all have. I feel sorry for any innocents who get caught up in all this (like the people on that plane that the Iranians just killed) but in the end stopping those evil fucks will do far more to save more innocent people.
     
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  2. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Look at the end of the day it's your soldiers paying the prize. You have to deal with countless of veterans coming home, crippled, scared for the rest of their lives with nothing to show for but one messed up country after another. If it helps you to sleep at night, then tell your self that you're simply getting rid of dictators and liberating countries. For those of us that actually have to deal with the effects from your policies? Like some of my relatives in Yugoslavia when your bombing raids under Clinton scared them to death? Things are a bit different. But who cares I guess. This is about fighting the big evil! Well yesterday it was still good enough to sell weapon systems and CIA operatives back over there to train their military. Seriously. Who's going to believe this crap? Half of the world doesn't give a shit anymore and the other half knows what this is about. Resources. Plane and simple.

    Buhuhuuuu. Cry me a river.

    Ok mr. smarty pants. If it really gets to a war with Iran because this dick-head of a president simply needs something to bolster his ego and win some election then I hope that you will hit the nearest recruitment centre to support your troops. Get over there. Do your duty. Follow your leader. And don't ask questions. But don't be surprised when you will be stuck there for the next 25 years fighting an asymmetrical warfare. And still lose. Like in Afghanistan. Iraq. Or Vietnam.

    Do you even listen to your self? Is this idea that we should avoid wars so outrageous? For fucks sake is this what the United States of America represents, are those the values you hold dear and defend? Being the biggest bully in the yard that can wave it's dick around? Don't you realise that more and more countries actually loathe what the US represents here in foreign policy? I mean I am not stupid. I know that not all conflicts can be resolved peacefully. I understand the necessity to defend your self. But this is not WW2 god damnit.
     
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  3. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    That's right, we are all members of congress, you Jabrone. Every single god damn time somebody posts about something you act like they endorse it. Someone says This Impeachment is a farce and will go nowhere, you being the high brow individual will inevitably respond with Well sounds you like it when Trump steals all the monies Hmmmmmm. Like is there something wrong with your brain or do you enjoy being the poster boy for Dunning-Kruger?
     
  4. GonZo_626

    GonZo_626 Well Shit!

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    Jul 29, 2016
    Hmmm you don't seem to know much about the conflict with Iran, which is not a US started thing but the Fucking British again (Europeans keep fucking shit up for others to clean up) The Americans yes have some to do with it but as typical were dragged in by the fucking Euro's, just like fucking Afganistan (British again), or Vietnam (Go France this time) so go ahead and forget everything that happened before 1990. Sorry but I gotta move some of your comment out of place because
    Yes, yes it actually fucking is, all this middle east shit can be traced back to WW2 and the bullshit pulled because of it.


    Actually I am too old for the military in my country to accept me anymore so. Do I support the troops, fuck yeah, have I have friends go there, yes. You know what every solider I have talked has said "The people there are so fucked up that the whole place should be made glass and it would save the world another 80 years of bullshit. I don't go that far but hell, maybe if we didn't pull our troops whenever leftist like you get tired and bitch too much we would have it figured out. You know like Germany, Japan, and how long did it take UN (yeah not the US but your precious UN) peace keepers to figure out your Yugoslavian shit 20+ years?

    Yes we should avoid them, but that does not mean we should shy away from them either. There is a time and place, you know like genocide, or somebody just deciding that they wanted to attack you. Fuck that somebody punches me I punch back, not go cry in a corner. To me this should not be a US thing but hey maybe the US is not the one abandoning its allies..... maybe they are the one being abandoned.
     
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  5. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 27, 2003
    Somebody has to be the big dick, might as well be the country that doesn't treat women like shit, have god police or thinks murdering homosexuals is a good thing.

    Only 3 choices for giant cock status, and remember, there always will be a bully. Those whacky Russians with dictator 4 life Putin, or King Xi of China who recently abolished term limits for the presidency., or America.


    I know who I am voting for.
     
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  6. Hoplite

    Hoplite Worth 1/5th of 100 grams of tea

    288
    Oct 4, 2019
    Finally someone realizes that compared to the people who hate us most we're relatively sane
     
  7. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 27, 2003
    You would be called a racist nowadays for saying this but in many other countries, even the test for meeting the basics of common decency, are not met, insane.
     
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  8. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Trump has to consult with Congress before reacting now. The Bill passed today.
     
  9. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    If your country had a mandatory military service and you could be sent overseas to fight in, say, Iraq or Iran, would that make you more or less pro-war?

    Now with a lot of Canadians dead from that airplane crash, maybe you want revenge now.
     
  10. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    I think nobody here is really pro-war, at most anyone is acknowledging that war might be inevitable for our own safety. And you don't really become a soldier if you don't have that mindset to begin with, I guess.
     
  11. Yamu

    Yamu Le Fromage Vieux oTO Moderator Orderite

    Jul 26, 2003
    Not sure how you guys do it over there, but in America one of the mindsets most often responsible for getting people into the service is "I come from poverty and don't want student loans or the selective mobility barriers baked into our society to ruin my adult life before it has a chance to start." The people courting disaster know it's the poor and unwitting they're largely putting in harm's way, not their own kids or any of their kids' fraternity brothers.
     
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  12. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008


    There is a quote I always have to think about in such situations.

    “Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or fascist dictorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

    - Hermann Goering.


    Bullshit. Who's telling this to you specifically? That's the same like how some claim, oh you can't even say happy Christmas anymore and there is a war on Christianity!

    I think some of you guys arguing here really need to step out of your bubble sometimes.
     
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  13. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    I see you as a kind of armchair general -type, a 'monday morning quaterback', as the Americans say. You don't have 'skin in the game' as they say but seem to be really happy if US were to bomb Iran creating civilian casualties etc.
     
  14. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Well, I guess you see a lot of things when the days are short and your pills have run out. It's the only way I can explain some of your thought patterns.
     
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  15. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 27, 2003
    Crni

    It is called liberals in the states here. I generally do not talk politics in real person as the above has happened to me quite often. Many liberals here equate cultural criticism as racism as, in their words, 'Judging a persons culture is tantamount to racism because it enables the kind of thinking that some people are better than others.'

    Seriously Crni, word for word. And for the 7th million time, it is these assholes that pissed of Americans so much. Pissed enough to hate vote Trump into winning the republican primary over much more qualified candidates. Enough anger to edge him into the white house over the wicked witch.

    For fucks sakes, there is even articles on cultural racism that say the exact same thing I talked about above.
     
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  16. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Are you really sure? Most liberals actually align with a lot of conservative talking points, be it in patriotism (Murrica!) or immigration. That's why I sad if you specifically encountered this. The majority out there does not say the things you mentioned there.
     
  17. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 27, 2003
    If you read what I posted, I never even specified or mentioned what kind of person would say that until you brought it up.

    But yea, it HAS happened to me. Because I talk about stuff like that with friends or co workers who I am close with. In our debates I have been accused thusly but since they were rational people, my defence won them over (well maybe).

    Also, haven't I mentioned numerous times that you euro liberals are much better informed than the rabid ones we have in the states? Perhaps if our leftists argued more from the mind than from emotions, they would be seen as less of a joke.
     
  18. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I think you Americans throw this term "liberals" way to often around while you actually mean leftists like me, which are a really tiny minority in your nation, leave alone your political landscape.

    Most people in America, be it on the left OR right side of the political spectrum are moderates. This is when we look at most surveys and polls where they actually ask people on specific issues, like securing borders and the like. A lot of people, while not beeing as extreme like the Tea Party movement agree with a lot of conservative talking points. But they also, as moderates do agree with things like single payer health care - to what degree is a whole different discussion.

    I simply think that you're completely exaggerating and making it sound like I don't know your personal core values would be under constant threat or attack.
     
  19. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 27, 2003
    Liberals, leftists, fine.

    You asked if it has happened, to me, and I told you it has.

    I highly doubt we will ever win each other over to our respective sides. That isn't the point anyways. We are each presenting an argument which hopefully helps those who are sitting on the fence, to make a decision, or to simply inform.
     
  20. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I am not trying to win you over right now. I am simply saying that you're exaggerating. And I was once attacked by actual Neonazis. But I do not believe that right wingers rule this country - Germany even if we have conservative government right now.
     
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