The Enlave is stunningly incompetent and doesn't understand their own power.

Discussion in 'Fallout 3 Discussion' started by HatredofNewspapers, Aug 26, 2016.

  1. HatredofNewspapers

    HatredofNewspapers High Kaiser of the News

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    Aug 23, 2016
    So I started watching my coworker play through FO3 for her first time. Why is it that the Enclave is so utterly incompetent? See, their entire plan hinges on taking the Water Purifier, right? Using it as a propaganda tool to spread their influence?

    So why don't they just not bother actually taking it and use their vast communications network to just say they did until the opportunity presents itself? We can see that there are dozens of radios tuned to the Enclave frequency all over the Wasteland, and there are people who just straight up believe it. Like, the Brotherhood lacks a sophisticated comms system, once it's fixed, you could probably attack it within the WEEK and still not have people doubt you. Instead, they spread their forces all over the map, in an almost insane and arbitrary fashion, and start capturing some of the most meaningless assets, like empty fields and farmsteads, rather than concentrating everything on the purifier.

    On top of that, there are infinitely better ways to gain the trust of the populace. Colonel Autumn and his escort made it three floors underground in Vault 87, not to get rid of the cannibalistic mutants, mind you, but to throw a flash grenade at you and get a code for a broken fucking brita filter. Why wouldn't they wage their from west to east, clearing out the mutants and then tackling the brotherhood? Almost every settlement has an issue pertaining to them!

    Like Christ, I don't understand how Bethesda thought anybody would believe that these guys are some elite force.
     
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  2. Jogre

    Jogre So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 25, 2015
    One thing I never got, is why John Henry Eden sends out a propaganda radio, if his plan is to ultimately wipe out the entire population of the Capital Wasteland.

    Like seriously, you know that vial he gives you and tells you is poisonous to mutants?, To the Enclave a mutant is anyone who resides in the Wasteland.
     
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  3. HatredofNewspapers

    HatredofNewspapers High Kaiser of the News

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    Aug 23, 2016
    Right, it's like they didn't figure out what the Enclave would be like until the got out of Beta, so they had all these concepts just thrown into the main game and dragged them around until the order seemed like it *fit* enough for it to acceptable in the eyes of a fresh player.
     
  4. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    Ohhhh you meant fallout 3's enclave. Tbh they don't seem that incompetent in retrospect. In comparison to the institute... Beth really outdid themselves with that one..
     
  5. Risewild

    Risewild Carbon Dated and Proud
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    Jun 14, 2014
    Well, it is posted in the Fallout 3 subforum. :P
    There is plenty of bad things about the Enclave in Fallout 3.
    For example, why does Autumn kills you if you give him the right code without resisting?
    Why doesn't the enclave just bomb all the settlements (and the Citadel) using their Vertibirds. Even the Brotherhood of Steel say they have no defense against their vertibirds before making Liberty Prime work. Why didn't they bomb the Citadel with their orbital missile system (even we can do it before we beat Broken Steel and decimate the Citadel). Why they attract wastelanders with promise of fresh water just to kill them all if they are even a little radiated (which was mentioned before it is pretty much everyone in the wasteland).
    Why would all Enclave troops obey a general instead of their president (at least some would be loyal to the president and others would just be so confused they wouldn't know what to do).
    And there are more stuff, but I have to go out and can't type anymore :lmao:.
     
  6. Big No

    Big No Watch as I open and close this door

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    Oct 28, 2014
    It's pretty much implied they follow Autumn rather than Eden due to the fact only Autumn was ever allowed to really do much with him and as a result none really know anything about Eden beyond "he's the president". Like yeah, the odd soldier may communicate with Eden, as seen when you leave your cell, but it's mostly Autumn who does the talking.

    That way it's easier for the colonel to get his soldiers to follow his orders rather than Eden's since they'd follow someone who actually communicates with them regularly rather than this faceless president guy. Although I'm sure this logic opens a whole new can of worms, but this is pretty much what happens in the plot.
     
  7. Vergil

    Vergil Banned

    Jul 8, 2014
    More like "bethesda is stunningly incompetent and doesn't understand how to write a good story".
     
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  8. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    I was on my way here to make similar joke. NMA needs to get some individuality. We can come off as a bit of a hive mind at first glance...
     
  9. Vergil

    Vergil Banned

    Jul 8, 2014
    If we're a hive, I'm the queen.
     
  10. Risewild

    Risewild Carbon Dated and Proud
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    Eden is totally superfluous if he can't do anything and has no power over his own troops... Autumn should have pulled the plug ages ago if he controls the troops and disagrees with Eden's methods.
    In sum, Eden is useless and having it around only serves as a disadvantage to the Enclave.
     
  11. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    I believe that would be mirolsav. But he's... What the duck happened to miroslav?
     
  12. Izak

    Izak I Shot The ALBATROSS

    Jan 29, 2016
    I thought Miroslav left in the late 90's/early 2000's, if anyone, Korin would be the queen but he likes Fallout 3 so...
     
  13. Earth

    Earth Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 7, 2013
    Bethesda seriously needs the Plinkett treatment.

     
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  14. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Joke? Since when is posting reality a joke :p.
     
  15. cordelionreaver

    cordelionreaver Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Nov 29, 2015
    You're trying to make sense of a Bethesda Fallout game. Here is some advice, don't do that.
     
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  16. Millim

    Millim Half-way Through My Half-life
    Orderite

    Oct 13, 2010
    I would actually accept a challenge like this.
    Revamp my YT channel for comedy reviews done in that kind of style.
     
  17. Earth

    Earth Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 7, 2013
    As amazing as a full-on Plinkett review of Fallout would be, I was really just talking about that specific segment with that music.

    Example (imagine this with the Plinkett voice and music playing):

    "Why did Dad irradiate the water purifier he apparently spent years building?"
    "What were the Enclave intending to do there anyway?"
    "Did Colonel Autumn just leave his wallet in there and this was all just a horrible misunderstanding?"
    "Did the Enclave have a plan? If so, what was their plan?"
    "Wait, why are the Brotherhood of Steel in this? And why are they led by the dumbest person in the game?"
     
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  18. Millim

    Millim Half-way Through My Half-life
    Orderite

    Oct 13, 2010
    Oh my gawd.
    Mr Plinkett should do game reviews. Imagine NMS or Ride to Hell.
     
  19. Earth

    Earth Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 7, 2013
    Yeah, it's a shame video games don't have a Plinkett equivalent. I know Mike Stoklasa couldn't give less of a shit about video games so that's a dead end.

    So many youtube shills, very few real critics.
     
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  20. Millim

    Millim Half-way Through My Half-life
    Orderite

    Oct 13, 2010
    We need a Mr Plinkett for the gaming World