Tim Cain interview on Matt Chat, part 2

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by Per, Jul 5, 2010.

  1. x'il

    x'il Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Mar 3, 2009
    Which is the point; 'Good' is a measurement of quality, 'Popular' of quantity.

    Would the different costs have something to do with it?

    A bunch of people like to eat dogs and rats, does that make dogs and rats 'good' food for everyone? Also, you should cut down on the fallacious hyperbole there, it's not flying.

    That doesn't make it 'good'.

    Who's saying that is bad? Again, 'popular' does not equal neither good nor bad. In itself the game's not so bad (not so good either), but as a fallout game, as an rpg, and as a fallout sequel, it's bad.
  2. Paul_cz

    Paul_cz Mildly Dipped

    Jun 11, 2008
    Sure, exploration from top down perspective, which is not what I meant and is something completely different. If you don't see a difference between exploring the world from first person/third person perspective, and from top down isometric one, that is another thing.

    Please check who you quote next time, thanks.

    Totally. In your opinion.
  3. Ausir

    Ausir Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Apr 20, 2003
    Yeah, there's one important difference - it's not as easy to get lost in a maze of corridors if you're exploring something in isometric perspective.
  4. x'il

    x'il Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Mar 3, 2009
    Nice interview again. "other people to raise it"... heh, indeed... :(

    I'll be eagerly awaiting the next Part.

    Sure, i like thinking of something inferior to it's 12 year old predecessors in every relevant way as a bad sequel. :shrug:
  5. NiRv4n4

    NiRv4n4 It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Apr 16, 2010
    That is your own perception. There are probably several hundred other perceptions of F3 that match yours. Now, there are dozens of thousands of perceptions of F3 that think that it is a good game. Your point that, even though it was enjoyable, it isn't good, is completely irrational. A good game is one you enjoy playing, unless you are some crazed masochist. So if thousands more people enjoyed the game than didn't enjoy it, then that is a good sign for the game, right?
    You are looking at this from an individualistic sense, and I from a communal. Sure, I like old music and hate new music, but society tends to favor the new music. So, from the standpoint of society, new music is better than old music. I don't agree with it, but that is how it is. You should accept that, from the standpoint of society, F3 is favored over F1 and F2. That doesn't mean that certain individuals such as yourself can't have differing opinions, though.
    What I want to say is that you should accept that most people, i.e. society, deem F3 to be better than F1 and F2, either by ignorance of the early games, or in my case an educated judgment. That isn't really a problem, they aren't keeping you from enjoying the other games. You should respect the other people's opinions on F3, just as those people should respect your opinions on F1 and F2. So, which first, chicken or egg?

    On the interview, sort of sucks that he isn't connected to Fallout anymore. Would be cool if he was with New Vegas.
  6. mor

    mor Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Jun 18, 2010
    i agree, FO3 is a great game to its target audience but its not a good game for me, it wasnt what i was looking for.

    'good game' its very subjective term, so use of genres will be better here.
    so lets just say that most of us enjoy the classic RPG over ARPG
  7. UnidentifiedFlyingTard

    UnidentifiedFlyingTard Vault Fossil

    Mar 12, 2009
    Avatar is the highest grossing movie of all time, must be the best movie ever.
  8. Nark

    Nark Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Dec 6, 2008
    The Twilight novels are some of the most popular books in recent years, that must mean they are the best books ever.
  9. Ausir

    Ausir Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Apr 20, 2003
    And McDonald's serves the finest cuisine in the world.
  10. Per

    Per Vault Consort Staff Member Admin

    Apr 1, 2004
    You ask for steak, I bring you fish. You say that you think steak is better than fish. I say that fish is much more popular than steak so obviously it's better. You say that no matter how good the fish is it can't be better at being steak than the actual steak we used to serve. I say that's just your perception and you're entitled to it but you should accept that fish is the future and that's good. You begin to say something but I stab you in the eye with a fork and run into the kitchen.
  11. Lexx

    Lexx Background Radiant
    Moderator Modder

    Apr 24, 2005
    Yeah. And I personally like it in isometric perspective more.

    Seriously, Fallout 3s subway tunnels and buildings (indoor) made absolutly no sense. It was mostly just always the same graphic set build together into strange labyrinths.

    Annoying as hell. I avoided as much subway systems and buildings as I could.
  12. generalissimofurioso

    generalissimofurioso The Hole Time Orderite

    Jun 17, 2007
    Damn it Per!

    You're fired!
  13. Dead Guy

    Dead Guy Senate Board Director oTO Moderator Orderite

    Nov 9, 2008
    As you try to fire Per, it turns out that he has bought your restaurant. In addition, you may no longer sell steak.
  14. Dario ff

    Dario ff Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Aug 19, 2008
    Ugh, this analogy is getting me hungry.
  15. Nark

    Nark Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Dec 6, 2008
    "Everything popular is wrong."
    ~Oscar Wilde
  16. Prosper

    Prosper Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Aug 25, 2007
    Hello Tim Cain. This is Prosper, just a member of the fallout community but also a programmer from time to time.

    You mentioned you did much of the programming of Fallout 1 in the C Language.

    Could you shed a little light on how you designed your code and the evolution it went through before you finished? For example what aspects of the fallout engine did you work on first, and how did you decide the importance of them?

    Tim Cain, in today's world, how would you make use of C++ and how would you of used it if you had a choice to back when you made fallout 1?

  17. mor

    mor Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Jun 18, 2010
    whats life without wrong?
    ~some post on the internet.
  18. Elhoim

    Elhoim It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Jun 3, 2008
    Great analogy, I love it.
  19. Paul_cz

    Paul_cz Mildly Dipped

    Jun 11, 2008
    I don't remember ever getting lost in Fallout 3 in my 90 hours of its gameplay.Maybe I have superior orientation sense though.This of course isn't the only important difference :P

    OMG! The attack of fallacies FROM OUTER SPACE! HELP!
  20. Ausir

    Ausir Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Apr 20, 2003
    And who started with the popularity = quality fallacy?