Trump wins

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Throatpunch, Nov 9, 2016.

  1. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    Says the person that was getting triggered in one of threads a little back over the fact we were using the buzzword "SJW". Funfact that's what they happen to be called. Do you happen to have any evidence to how we are "nazis" or are you just pulling that out of your ass?

    If anything reddit is almost full on liberal and they want to censor anything pro Trump.
     
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  2. Ragemage

    Ragemage Wept for Zion

    Feb 20, 2016
    Not to go full English Professor here, but the word "you" denotes that you're referring to me in that context, especially since you were quoting me. Mentioning Vergil afterwords does not fix that. You need to work on your grammar.
     
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  3. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    I in general hate the kind of people who are considered SJWs, as you would've seen in a lot of my opinions I actually dislike a lot of the outrage culture.
    Coutnerpoint to that a person whose only argument about anything is just writting SJW is just straight up eye roll worthy, mostly a teenager that can only think in twitter buzzwords instead of contributing to arguments, I even told you guys then that you should instead actually elaborate on your points and that triggered too.
    Not to go english professor because it's my second language but the word "You" can also be used in a non indicative way, and as it wasn't even in response to you but rather mutant scalper's crying about "calling everyone you disagree with nazis" one would think the context of the response (both in the thread and with the rest of the post itself) would also be clear enough.
     
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  4. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    I have my reasons if you look through this thread someways back. You're no better then "us" even though we have evidence to their bullshit, what do you want us to call them? Could use your sentence against you if you replaced "SJW" with "nazi" and replace "guys" with "you".
     
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  5. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    I have only called Vergil a nazi, because he was completely convinced acting like one made him clever. You guys are crying about someone like that getting banned on a forum that has rules specifically against usage of racial insults. And it wasn't like Vergil was even open to get into some friendly back and forth, that guy would get super defensive rather fast so it was obvious he was a "can dish it out can't take it" kind of user. So no real loss there.

    I have never equated right wing with Nazi, and I usually don't even call anyone else a Nazi unless they do stupid shit like trying to argue with me that Conversion to Judaism is impossible while you Mutantscalper seem to think calling someone an SJW is equivalent to an intelligent argument, and that just makes me cringe, just like when Hilary supportes will call others "deplorables" and when the outrage culture happy left would accuse everyone of being an "ableist" or a mysogynist for everything.
     
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  6. Jogre

    Jogre So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 25, 2015
    Seriously?

    Nobody on here wants to see Vergil go forever just because of his views.

    If you honestly think that anyone would actively go out of there way to root out Vergil for his views, you are most likely mistaken.
    Except not a single person on NMA was praising Castro. Everyone who commented on Castro here simply either expressed outrage, or didn't express an opinion.

    Fun Fact: SJW is just a buzzword made up by the right wing, so they can put any similar opinions in to one category, and not bother to debate them.

    When people call you a nazi, there just doing the same thing, putting you in to a hyperbolic category so they don't have to debate your opinion.

    If you take issue with people calling right-wingers nazis, you should by extension take issue with people calling left-wingers SJWs.

    You can't both be outraged by having your candidates dismissed as nazis, and at the same-time dismiss others as SJWs, either have your cake or eat it.
    I know I don't really have a say in this, but I personally think you should publicly show us the posts Vergil got the warnings for.

    I mean, Vergil was an ok guy, and I kind of want the closure of knowing he was banned for a legitimate reason.
     
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  7. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    I actually thought letting Vergil constantly call for attention while getting none from admins was a more hilarious way for him to go, then he got himself banned because he got too ansty about not getting the attention from the admins he wanted and apparently did something that got him banned.
     
  8. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    Okay the reality of it is they fight for "Social Justice" meaning trying to better lives of people like minorities and women, all for equal rights and all that...or so it should seem. The reality and that has been done is them stirring up some bullshit like women not being equal to men so men should have less privileges when that's not the case. You have them talking about being inclusive by forcing it into media like that new Star Wars movie with the diverse cast shown on the front cover with a strong woman leading them into a fight against "white supremacists". There's universities that want to keep their students from using the word "illegal immigrants" because that's apparently offensive. Video games like the EE of BG from Beamdog adding bullshit like that trans woman into the game who upon talking to her as a total stranger says "LOL I WAS BORN A MAN AND NOW I'M TRANSITIONING INTO A WOMAN" when there are sex changing potions and clothes.

    People like Anita showing why video game devs are being sexist by having women with revealing outfits, why video games don't have a woman instead of a cis white male, ect.
     
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  9. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Is Anita Sarkeesian even relevant nowadays? I don't think I have heard shit about her shit in months...
     
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  10. Ragemage

    Ragemage Wept for Zion

    Feb 20, 2016
    Except that's a baldfaced lie considering how many times Crni and Buxbaum alone have had multiple pages-long angry debates wherein they usually called Vergil stupid and he fired right back. There's plenty of people here who are glad to see him gone over his views, as Zegh and Walp gladly just shared right here.

    There's also the fact Hassknecht in a now vatted thread (I believe it's the Graveyard of Misogyny 2 one if you want to go look for it yourself) where he said he has considered banning Vergil from talking in any of the Trump threads, while conveniently not mentioning any of the people who have derided both him and Trump multiple times to the point of not even contributing to the conversation and just assblasting Trump. Here, I even found it for you:

    "/edit: I've been thinking about reply-banning Vergil from all the Trump threads, but I think that would count as assisted suicide."
     
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  11. Jogre

    Jogre So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 25, 2015
    Fair points there.

    Honestly, I think lots of folk on the left do take it way too far.
     
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  12. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Maybe you should learn how to read because I just said I found it more hilarious for him to be constantly try harding to get banned and never getting it. He got banned because he actively was trying to get banned, you would see him bragging about it on other threads so not only was he kind of a pathetic guy in general I am kind of surprised you guys are taking such issue with that. In the end, it wasn't really that much of a loss, there are users I have had confrontations in arguments with that have been absent for long that I think were an actual loss to the forum (very low activity nowadays thanks to FO4 being such a dud). I am sure he is already preparing his second account to continue with his stuff.
     
  13. Ilosar

    Ilosar Vault Fossil

    Apr 20, 2010
    At this point I think the anti-SJW movement has become just as bad as their sworn enemies. They just whine about different things, but use broadly the same methods of applying buzzwords to people they don't like instead of debating or just ignoring their opinions, and shitpost memes instead of running for safe spaces. And many fit the same stereotype of being thin-skinned prima donnas who just want to regurgitate their political opinions on anyone they can get their hands on.

    Like, yeah, there are people on the internet with idiotic ideas that you don't like, get the fuck over it. If I lost my shit every time I saw someone post opinions I found stupid on the internet, I'd have shot myself a long time ago.

    And before anyone panics (or ''gets triggered'' as the cool and edgy kids say today), the ''you''s I use are not indicative of anyone in particular here or elsewhere.

    As for Vergil, I can't say that I'll miss him at all, albeit I do think PMing nazi stuff to some other people, without harrassing them, doesn't sound like the most bannable offense to me even if it's stupid.
     
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  14. PlanHex

    PlanHex Legislative Senator oTO Moderator Orderite

    Nov 4, 2007
    I'm not entirely sure I'm at liberty to, but sure, here are the two posts from the two logged warnings he has:
    http://www.nma-fallout.com/threads/poll-trump-or-hillary.207443/page-30#post-4197846 (inb4 jokes about "wow calling someone French? that's so mean!")
    http://www.nma-fallout.com/threads/trump-wins.208143/page-90#post-4203854
    Wow, what a nice guy. I can see why you all want him to come back so badly.

    The note on the first warning put him immediately up to 2 strikes and let him know he was to toe the line and not constantly name-call and insult people. I'm guessing this was a straw-breaking-camels-back situation as I'm pretty sure he had been talked to earlier about toning down all the namecalling and assholery long before that post up there.

    Let this be a reminder to all of you to tone it down and be civil or face the banhammer.
     
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  15. Jogre

    Jogre So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 25, 2015
  16. Ragemage

    Ragemage Wept for Zion

    Feb 20, 2016
    After looking through these and going back a few pages, I'm really not sure if the full context is being taken into account here. Did Vergil say a mean thing to Doomsday (that we can't see now)? Yes, he did. But in light of the full context this is after Doomsday basically said that the thread should be vatted and called Vergil's entire argument a pissing contest, which is probably just as insulting considering Vergil had been arguing for roughly 3 pages or more there.

    As for the second one, he called Crni a "mongoloid." That's bad, it's a slur, understandable. However it was also after 5 pages of arguing with Crni wherein Crni basically kept repeating the same points again and again until Vergil lost his temper. I think the issue here is that it doesn't seem like the entire debate was and is being taken into account by the staff, it's only the one post that gets reported.

    Let's also not forget when Toront, before he was an Admin, in one of the very threads you linked, had this to say about people who disagreed with his previous posts:

    "You can't tell people that shit Crni. They keep hearing IRAN and ISIS and 800,000 billion immigrants a month while stuffing their fat fucking faces with McDonalds not realizing that the Cheeseburger and Coke will kill them before any Jihad will."

    Did he get a strike for basically calling people fat pigs for not sharing his views?
     
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  17. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    I get it! There are "the rules" and then there are "Ragemage's interpretation of the rules, and what people basically say, instead of actually say"
     
  18. Ragemage

    Ragemage Wept for Zion

    Feb 20, 2016
    Go back and read what SuAside posted in regards to the rules. I'm not interpreting anything, he laid out the groundwork right there. Unless you're going to be lazy as per usual and not bother and instead quote a very small portion of my actual argument and try to use that against me.
     
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  19. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign WASTED Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    More than 68% of Americans are fat according to numbers on the interwebs. I specifically called no one out in that thread, basically making an offhand comment about telling people (not here...everywhere) what they don't want to hear. It's not meant as an insult. I directed that at no one. Not to mention the fact it is true.

    I realize Vergil was an interesting poster to have around, but calling people retards, faggots, niggers, and slants every other post, and denying the Holocaust is all stuff that eventually gets you banned. Vergil received numerous warnings too before he was banned. I even saw that one of his IP's was being used by another user, possibly a friend or relative at his house, messaging him personally asking him about it and giving him a heads up to be careful. Even when he said racist shit, often I tried to ignore it, but a few times I gave him a verbal warning just to know he was crossing the boundaries.

    This stuff builds up over a period of time. It isn't one little thing that gets you banned. You keep calling out for the ban and you get it eventually. His posts in the Twibber feed were reaching a new level of spam that was unbecoming as well.

    Everyone here has gotten belligerent at one time or another. It's when you get warned and keep taking it over the line that it gets to be a hassle, in which admins/mods will usually get fed up. Does Virgil's popularity immunify him from the rules? It seems to me he was using some phrases with tongue planted firmly in cheek, but also believed some of the shit he was saying. So yeah he could make an offhand joke about liking Hitler while quoting Mein Kampf and be considered a joke, but then on the next page claim the Holocaust wasn't real...and it would seem like he actually thought that.

    I recall him even making fun of autistic users and it going unmentioned. Often when he would be warned he would then make another smartass comment for good measure which shows his mindset. He always pushed the rules. He would have been banned in a month if Sander was active so all you new users should be thankful. Shit has been lax around here. Most of you have no idea. Talking a little shit is one thing, but when 90% of your posts are in a political thread ranting about Nazi propaganda, SJW's, and Mexicans - you are on the list of people who might get banned one day.

    Not the choice I would have made, but I understand why it was done.
     
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  20. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Can I say how ironic it is that Vergil is being white knighted so intensely?
     
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