What do you think of Kellogg?

Discussion in 'Fallout 4' started by AlphaSlayerZX, Oct 12, 2016.

  1. AlphaSlayerZX

    AlphaSlayerZX Deadpan

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    Oct 12, 2016
    So i've been wondering for a while, what does everyone at NMA here think of Kellogg?

    Do you guys think he's good, bad, underused, or a rare thing to see from Bethesda? If so, why?
     
  2. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I think it tastes awesome, but it's a bit to expensive, I switched to something that's similar to oatmeal a long time ago.
     
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  3. Prone Squanderer

    Prone Squanderer A bit of a Sillius Soddus.

    Jan 3, 2016
    I think he could've been a better character but overall he's probably one of the more developed ones in the game (although that ain't saying much). I don't think they should have made him from the West Coast though, nor him being over 100 years old. The whole memory thing should be removed too in my opinion.

    Oh and I like his voice.

    Something I think would have been cool (may just be me) is Kellogg's gender changes depending on what gender your character is. It could also be expanded and have 2 different variants of the same character, so instead of a simple gender swap you have enough differences to tell them apart but still enough that's the same to be the same person.
     
  4. Vergil

    Vergil Banned

    Jul 8, 2014
    The only reason I came into this thread was to make this joke you Yugoslavian cunt.
     
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  5. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    Rough texture, plain taste, like glass shards in your throat if you don't chew enough, looks somewhat appealing, but there's better out there or a breakfast sandwich.
     
  6. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Jun 15, 2015
    Kellogg Cornflakes is such a forgettable character, besides his name that everyone here has made a joke about, that it is hard for me to be mad at with the exception of him being from the West Coast. He could have been just a random thug from the Commonwealth and his character would not have changed in the slightest.
     
  7. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    He could have been a wooden plank, and his character would have barely changed :p.
     
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  8. Vergil

    Vergil Banned

    Jul 8, 2014
    Remember when they brought up how Special K was basically immortal due to cybernetics but then the Father of stupidity decided this was bad for some reason and just shut the whole thing down with no resistance and it's never brought up again?
     
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  9. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    Honestly if the character didn't have the name Kellogg he would've been forgotten about without the silly name, he's another pointless one dimensional raider that blends in with all the other dull lackluster characters in the game.
     
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  10. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    I actually think the fact he's from the West Coast is part of his characterization. Kellog is a character who is supposed to be badass enough to cross the entirety of the United States.

    Personally, I think the game's emotional climax is defeating Kellog.

    Which is sad because it's midway through the game.
     
  11. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Jun 15, 2015
    If that was Bethesda attempt at writing a "badass" character I can't help but laugh. Also, what emotional climax? "Oh how could you kill my wife(who the audience only knew for 2 minutes and doesn't give a shit about) and kidnap my piece of crouch fruit that forces the audience to care in the most ham fisted way as possible and forces me to have a dramatic motivation."
     
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  12. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    It's a nice bit of subtlety. Instead of stating he's a badass, they show it without making it ridiculous.

    If you choose to engage with the game, it's an extremely emotional moment and one that worked well for me. I do think it was a mistake having the Memory Den development of Kellog's character happen post-mortem. If they were setting up "Kellog possesses Nick valentine" that would have been cool but that plot just disappears from the game as soon as it's introduced.
     
  13. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Jun 15, 2015
    This game was subtle?!? What are you talking about? Kellogg character was ridiculous. Like @MercenarySnake said, if it wasn't for his ridiculous name he would have been forgettable and also like @Crni Vuk stated, Kellogg could be a plank of wood and his character would not have changed in the slightest. Also this game and that moment is in no way emotional. It and the whole child kidnapping plot was as stupid and ham fisted as the Star Brat from Mass Effect 3. It was badly written. I was more engaged by Randall Clark from Honest Hearts then I ever was from Kellogg or any character from Fallout 4 and its DLC's.
     
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  14. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    What's ridiculous about him? I found his character poignant and a nice foil to the Sole Survivor. It's a nice "But for the grace of God, go I" fate for the Survivor. Having lost his family, he chooses to become nothing more than a numb engine of destruction, serving only himself and working for caps because he has nothing else to live for.

    Which is your fate if you don't find something to live for.
     
  15. Vergil

    Vergil Banned

    Jul 8, 2014
    Subtlety? Bethesda? Now that's a laugh. As far as showing he's a badass what did he do? We're told he's badass, in game he's a welp whose only slightly difficult due to surrounding himself with synths like a pussy. All his "badassery" comes from word of mouth and a long retarded sequence, speaking of which:
    "If you chose to engage with the game". No, that's bullshit. We didn't not "choose" to engage with the game, the game failed to be engaging. And that Memory Den shit isn't development. It's just an exposition dump where you get a long cliche "SEE I HAVE A DARK AND GRITTY PAST LOOK HOW DEEP OF A CHARACTER I AM". And again, how easy are your emotions to manipulate that you find that moment an emotional climax? Kellogg killed your wife you knew for 10 minutes? Stole your son you "knew" for literally 0 time? Just gut wrenching. I've made decisions on what items to drop from my inventory when encumbered that inflicted a more emotional reaction than that shlock.
     
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  16. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Jun 15, 2015
    I think you are over reaching and trying to use head cannon to explain bad writing yet again.
     
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  17. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    Uh, no, they never saw he's a badass. They show he is by making him from the West Coast and having crossed it.

    I felt it nicely worked with his character.

    I was really invested in the story because I played the role of the grieving husband for all the hours it took to reach Kellog.

    It's not reaching given that's literally the whole point of the Memory Den event. You are shown how Kellog became the man he was and then the Doctor asks what you think after it happens. The whole point of Kellog is as a literary (or pixellated) foil for your character.

    What do you think the point of the Memory Den event was?
     
  18. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Jun 15, 2015
    To copy Assassins Creed since Bethesda has been lacking in creativity as of late.
     
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  19. Vergil

    Vergil Banned

    Jul 8, 2014
    No, they tell us he's a badass by him treking accross from the west coast. Not a badass feat btw in the Bethesda universe. Harlod, a guy with a tree growing out of his head did it too so sorry but you got to do better than that.
    What character? Angsty merc with a troubled past No. 3210221843?
    Not like you had any other choice since the game forces that role upon you. Honestly, did you really have any emotional attachment at all to your "family" in Fallout 4? You wouldn't justify a book or movie with shitty writing that makes all the characters unlikable and thus makes you unable to get invested in the story. Why is it ok for games?
    A heavy handed attempt at making a bland 2D cardboard cut out of a character something more than that (and failing).
     
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  20. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    Writing in the "losing family" portion into Kellogg's "character" is a lazy attempt at making you feel bad for this poorly written character and just to give him an easy reason to go "ebol bad goy". I don't see any reason to care about him as to me he's like a freelancing raider doing evil things because bad guy loses his family.
     
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