What does sex appeal do exactly?

Discussion in 'Fallout RPG Gameplay & Tech' started by Perkyguy, Oct 3, 2008.

  1. Perkyguy

    Perkyguy First time out of the vault

    May 21, 2008
    Ive been playing fallout games for years and never learned what does this enigmatic trait do exactly. I often got pissed with the vague and incomplete descriptions of the traits and some perks which leave you guessing.

    Some say its 1 CHA extra or negative when talking to your/oposite sex, others claim its 10% speech more/less.

    If any of you have an answer they are certain is correct, please do share.
  2. alec

    alec White heterosexual male Orderite

    May 21, 2003
    All I know is that it is more useful for female characters than for male ones ('cause there are more male npc's). Doesn't it just add some extra lines of dialogue (so that you can sex your way out of certain situations)?

    I am NOT certain this is correct, but I'm still sharing. alec is all about sharing, see?

    Per should know.

    *summons Per*
  3. Per

    Per Vault Consort Staff Member Admin

    Apr 1, 2004
    It affects the base barter modifier which is set the first time you talk to someone. This is CH-based, and I assume the trait modifies CH up/down by 1 or 2 in this case.

    It possibly affects CH when checked in dialogue, but I doubt it. Should be easily checked. Might be worth noting in the guide, too.

    It is sometimes but rarely referenced directly in dialogue, mostly in some New Reno scripts (e.g. does Little Jesus or Myron find you attractive).

    It appears in the reaction system, which is however not used for the vast majority of characters in the game.
  4. Arash

    Arash Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Oct 3, 2008
    i think they kinda wanted to do some "more" things with Sex Appeal.

    maybe they wanted female characters to have sex with Horrigam and kinda buy their way out?
  5. Perkyguy

    Perkyguy First time out of the vault

    May 21, 2008
    Sounds like some nerd's wet dreams to me.
  6. Arash

    Arash Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Oct 3, 2008

    or a lazy man's wish, so he could skip Horigam without wasting his time.

    btw could we talk our way out with Horigam?

    or do we have to fight him?
  7. Perkyguy

    Perkyguy First time out of the vault

    May 21, 2008
    Nope, definately a nerd's wet dream - lazyness doesnt stick. The fight takes 2 min and isnt something boring so, saying lazy as an excuse is laughable.
  8. alec

    alec White heterosexual male Orderite

    May 21, 2003
    It's Horrigan. Frank Horrigan. Not Horigam. Which looks like origami.

    Using the Enclave's computer network, there is a way to avoid fighting him 101, using the turrets instead. And some help of some Enclave soldiers, if you manage to.
  9. Nall

    Nall First time out of the vault

    Apr 22, 2005
    So no one knows for sure what Sex Appeal does? After all these years...?
  10. Muro

    Muro First time out of the vault

    Nov 26, 2008
    It's a charisma bonus/penalty, which affects directly CH checks (also such as if NPC find you sexy) and indirectly barter. No one propably wanted to know the exact modifiers, since it's mostly for fun and roleplay, but it's a point or two, as already stated.

    Now that I think about it... I wonder how it works with the CH/2 follower limit.
  11. Kanhef

    Kanhef Vault Dweller

    Sep 2, 2007
    It improves sex rating (obj_sex_rating(x) script function, +1) and affects initial reaction (GetReaction, +/-20) for critters that use the reaction system. The only use in dialogue is that it lets you ask Phyllis for a date if you don't meet any of the other requirements (Speech 75%, CH 9, or the Kama Sutra Master perk). That's it. As far as I can tell, it is not used in any other scripts or dialogue directly. I cannot find any use of it in the game engine.

    There is no CH modifier, no additional dialogue, no speech modifier, no barter modifier. Sex rating is used in just 9 scripts, and has a significant effect in only five - the Corsican Bros., Mrs. Bishop, Little Jesus, T-Ray, and the Den Rave encounter. Not Myron. The only script I could find where reaction affects the barter modifier is for New Reno drug dealers. The reaction modifier is substantial early on, so female characters may find it helpful, but late in the game karma and reputation have a larger effect. I don't know how many scripts actually use it, though.
  12. WraithUV

    WraithUV It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Feb 22, 2005
    Kanhef is correct.

    It's another of those perks that I think probably had bigger original intentions, but just never got worked directly into much of anything.

    The ability to date Phyllis being the only direct check for the perk probably won't even get noticed in a normal game, since you get the same result for either having the Kama Sutra perk, Charisma of 9+, or speech of 75+.

    As for reaction though, it's used in quite a few scripts. Basically anything that calls the GetReaction function gets a +/- 20 to initial reaction because of it. I'm sure there are scripts that probably forget to make this call somewhere, but I think at least the vast majority of critter scripts do use it. Something like a good 350 of them or so at a spot glance.
  13. Per

    Per Vault Consort Staff Member Admin

    Apr 1, 2004
    It is used to modify barter as I wrote in a post above. You can test it by saving before talking to a shopkeeper the first time, then trying with or without Sex Appeal; you'll get different prices.
  14. lasix9

    lasix9 First time out of the vault

    May 29, 2009
    Sex appeal is an enigma in it self. As stated, it probably had bigger aspirations than what it gives in the game.

    I think I remember playing a game w/sex appeal as a selected trait. Didn't REALLY affect much (I guess it made it easier to get to other sex perks (sexpert, gigalo, etc.), but not by much).

    I guess I would take it if my character had absolutely no sex appeal, but still... wasting a trait on sex appeal isn't the best idea when there are better traits, and more useful ones avaliable (in my opinion of course).