Why does the NCR go after Enclave remnants, but not remnants of the Master's Army?

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  1. Eshanas

    Eshanas Vault Dweller

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    Jul 6, 2016
    Which is one thing I would had changed. Adding a full blown war? That woulda been neat. But yea the NCR mops up the Enclave, gets a high off it, BoS gets iffy, does their shit....
     
  2. megamike15

    megamike15 It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Mar 30, 2016
    it really makes you wonder how the ncr can have two full on wars with both the bos and the enclave in the span of 40 years between 2 and nv.
     
  3. Colonel_Augustus_Autumn

    Colonel_Augustus_Autumn Made This Photo Myself

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    Mar 2, 2021
    Well, The NCR takes to their name and does not play around at all. They find that the use of technology is quite dangerous in the wrong hands, I can see where It isn't really Arcade's fault and such, But he is related to the Enclave in ways. The Enclave is technically the ones who created the Master's Army, Since the Pre-War Enclave did experiments and such on Pre-War military prisoners. They also don't see the mutants as a big problem because they are usually quite big and stupid.
    And can be taken down with a 5.56 round to the head.
     
  4. cordelionreaver

    cordelionreaver Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    The BOS started the war with the NCR

    https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/NCR-Brotherhood_War#cite_note-fnvlsh-3

    So I think Enclave war and then BOS wanted the tech and attacked the NCR.
     
  5. Iprovidelittlepianos

    Iprovidelittlepianos Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    May 12, 2020
    I always imagined that the Brotherhood did most of the work in the Enclave war.
     
  6. Eshanas

    Eshanas Vault Dweller

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    I didn't. The BOS seemed very content to stay out of sight during F2, the NCR however was rearing to show that it was a legitimate, capable force. Even a thousand guys with guns back in 2241 organized any sort of way other than raiding would be a problem for both the Enclave and the BOS, and the NCR already had 700k people at the time.
     
  7. Jogre

    Jogre So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 25, 2015
    Given that the Enclave lost their main Oil Rig and was only present in Navarro, the Enclave seem like they'd be easy to clean up. Just have a focused attack on the one area they're still present.

    "Ideological Purity and Shiny Power Armour doesn't count for much when you're outnumbered 15:1" -Mr House
     
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  8. Atomic Postman

    Atomic Postman Vault Archives Overseer

    Mar 16, 2013
    As far as I'm aware the "war" against the Enclave was a single battle: Sacking of Navarro. That was it. They're still hunted enemies of the state so it's still an ongoing fight I guess, but it's apples and oranges to the BoS or the Legion.
     
  9. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    Yes, the Enclave is basically the entirety of the Enclave being killed by the Chosen One except for the people at Navarro.

    It bothers me a bit because it presumably kills all the noncombatants and children of the group too.
     
  10. laclongquan

    laclongquan Boned Hunter of Sister

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    The Enclave war sounds more like a short campaign, considering they only have one outpost, Navarro left, and their HQ in Oil Rig get blown skyhigh. Reduce Navarro to rubble and Enclave remnants become ragtag bands of mercenary~ There's never any children and barely any innocent noncombatants. We are talking about Enclave scientists here who do the deadly human test in large scale here. Your concern is... misplaced.

    The Brotherhood is another matter entirely. Considering key towns has one bunker each, fully entrenched, and manned by soldiers in pre-war top class equipments. Yeah, I think 40 years to root them out, and not entirely, sounds about right. You cant defeat them but you can siege the bunker and let no resupply in unless they fight to raid. Scorched ground tactic if need be.

    Biggest problem of BOS is no stable, safe, and producing back area. Foods they need to trade with outsiders. So besieging then forbid selling to them can limit BOS in quite a while.
     
  11. Iprovidelittlepianos

    Iprovidelittlepianos Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    May 12, 2020
    Well there has to be Enclave children somewhere, and it makes sense that they would be kept safe on the Oil Rig. Until the chosen one shows up that is...
     
  12. laclongquan

    laclongquan Boned Hunter of Sister

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    If you want to make wild ass guess that's your business. if you want to make wild ass sympathy also your business.
     
  13. naossano

    naossano So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 19, 2006
    It is safe to assume that most of the Enclave civilians were at the oil rig, considering that the Oil Rig was the main base, and Navarro an outpost for refilling the vertibirds and do some scientific experiences. Beside, the whole concept of the Enclave is purity, so it makes sense to keep the next generation away from the wasteland. Also, we actually see civilians in the oil rig, but not at Navarro. Lastly, i recall some npc saying at some point that the mainland personnal is deemed expendable and will most likely die once they will spray the FEV-based gas.
     
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  14. Hardboiled Android

    Hardboiled Android Vault Senior Citizen

    Jun 7, 2015
    I mean lets not forget that the alarm that goes off after triggering the base's self destruct lasts a pretty long time - long enough for you to get out, even if you don't have to fight the whole way you at least have to fight Frank Horrigan himself. Significant numbers of people doubtless got out, and went to Navarro. Even before the Oil Rig is destroyed, Navarro itself is pretty decently populated. Now that population has been massively inflated, all the while the Enclave beleives they are under imminent attack, and their plans for world domination have hit a rather large snag.

    I like the idea that the Enclave was doing escalating attacks that ended up eventually provoking full-scale retaliation from BoS and NCR. The Enclave is already sending out small patrols prior to the Rig blowing up, including those fucking massive patrols in the immediatte vicinity of Navarro. With the entirety of the human race from the Enclave's perspective now in Navarro, the most crucial demand on them would be to secure the land surrounding Navarro by exterminating all resident mutants.

    The next part would be attempting to weaken all the major factions out of fear of their weakness. They nuke the technologically advanced Shi who just so happen to be the same place the Oil Rig originated from. I also really like the suggestion from New California that they'd attempt to secure pre-War facilities to launch terror attacks against the NCR. Eventually, this spasm of violence out of fear attracts too much attention from the NCR and BoS (who have both likely been specifically targeted by the terror campaign), and they work together to destroy the Enclave entirely. Not only Navarro, but rooting out little nests and outposts.
     
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  15. laclongquan

    laclongquan Boned Hunter of Sister

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    NO it's not safe to assume so. This is a big assumption, mostly because there's nothing concrete to support that idea. There's no data saying that there's children at Oil Rig.

    Your whole things are "assume", "make sense" but nothing in hard details at all.
     
  16. Atomic Postman

    Atomic Postman Vault Archives Overseer

    Mar 16, 2013
    Logically there would have to be children at the Oil Rig. How else would the Enclave have survived?
     
  17. megamike15

    megamike15 It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Mar 30, 2016
    i got this implication that the oil rig was for important personal while navvaro was for civilians.
     
  18. Eshanas

    Eshanas Vault Dweller

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    Jul 6, 2016
    It's not a big assumption.

    Enclave aren't immortal elves. They fuck, bred, live, shit on the Oil Rig. They have civilians. Navarro is a recent outpost. Ergo, the families and civilians and kids are on the Oil Rig, and they die when they get nuked. There are no other bases known on the West Coast in canon.

    Maybe that disturbs you but I don't care about nukin' em.
     
  19. Atomic Postman

    Atomic Postman Vault Archives Overseer

    Mar 16, 2013

    I figure in the grand scheme of things what with your moral calculus and what not, as well as the fact you give them big warning, it's fair game.
     
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  20. Jogre

    Jogre So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 25, 2015
    Lot of war crime defending going on. Are we forgetting that the original point is that the Enclave definitely had children on their rig that are probably all dead now?, Like that's not justifiable by any stretch of the imagination.

    Although I do grant that the Chosen One as a singular figure can't face down an entire army, take manual control of the Oil Rig and do everything legitimately. So really it's kinda a Utilitarian Question: did they really have any other options if they wanted to stop the mass genocide of the vast majority of the world's population?

    It's still a warcrime, but a warcrime that would have saved probably close to a billion lives (I don't actually know how many people the world of Fallout has alive worldwide)