Why is Skyrim so liked and what is there even to do?

Discussion in 'General Gaming and Hardware Forum' started by DeadHill, Jul 4, 2017.

  1. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    Also makes sense.

    I'ts hilarious how you can 'stack' levels in Skyrim.

    "Oh no! I am out of health and health potions!"

    *Levels up while in battle*

    *Does it again once HP gets low enough*

    Not that it matters, Alduin is supposedly the toughest thing in the world, and I remember my literal army of cunts beating him without me helping.
     
  2. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    My biggest complaint about skyrim was the game set up an epic battle between you and the Eater of the World and:

    1. He looked like any other Dragon.

    2. You had a bunch of other assholes helping you fight him.

    What the hell, people?

    Where's the drama there?
     
  3. lolpop109

    lolpop109 Water Chip? Been There, Done That
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    Jul 14, 2016
    The best games are when it does't appear like your playing a game. Your making a decisions and thinkig about the implications
     
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  4. Prone Squanderer

    Prone Squanderer A bit of a Sillius Soddus.

    Jan 3, 2016
    You guys just don't understand. If I want to be Lord Emperor Aedric Daedric Prince Ambassador Guildmaster Archmage Listener Thane Dragonslayer Bard Saviour Champion Moth Priest Harbinger Dragonborn, I bloody well should be able to! Stop trying to deny my rightful title.
     
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  5. DeadHill

    DeadHill First time out of the vault

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    Jul 4, 2017
    HEY! Hey you, Lord Emperor Aedric Daedric Prince Ambassador Guildmaster Archmage Listener Thane Dragonslayer Bard Saviour Champion Moth Priest Harbinger Dragonborn! This is our bridge and you need to pay us a fee! You're clearly Deus Ex Machina and we're just a bunch of generated NPCs, instead of carefully being made by the devs, but we still dare to question your authority to cross the damn bridge! After all, you're a mere mortal!

    Oh no, the city is attacked by a flying lizard with PMS! We can't possibly do anything and our only hope is Lord Emperor Aedric Daedric Prince Ambassador Guildmaster Archmage Listener Thane Dragonslayer Bard Saviour Champion Moth Priest Harbinger Dragonborn, who is the demigod, a savior of this world and our only hope for salvation!
    Today was the Day of the Baguette Nation and cousine is a French word, meaning a female cousin. Coincidence? I think not! You clearly have something for relatives, don't you? :naughty:
     
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  6. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    I see nothing wrong with that at all.
     
  7. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Daenerys Targarien:
    I'm Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men (claimant), Lady Regnant of the Seven, Kingdoms (claimant), Protector of the Realm (claimant), Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Breaker of Chains, Mother of Dragons
    (...)

    Dragonborn:
    Here, hold my ale.
     
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  8. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    If there is any genre more reliant on limitations its the rpg. You can do anything within the game DEPENDING on your character. You shouldn't be able to do everything.
     
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  9. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    I'd be interested in what you think would be the proper story limitations on what you can and cannot be as well as whether you think that would make the game more enjoyable for people playing it.

    One of the things I will say I hated most about Oblivion was the stupid busy work you had to do in order to rise to do the next quest of the Guilds you join.

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AcceptableBreaksFromReality
     
  10. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    I remember no busywork. Only great quests.

    Example as an axe wielding warrior who doesn't practice magic... You shouldn't be able to join the college of winterhold
     
  11. DeadHill

    DeadHill First time out of the vault

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    Jul 4, 2017
    GoT: WINTER IS COMING! (Although it's already there but whatever, there's still no "WINTER IS HERE!" memes)
    TES: Oh, tell me about it. I wonder when Summer is coming...
    (Not-So-Intense joke about Skyrim being in snow 24/7 all year)
    P.s. I think you forgot the best title - whore. I mean, she was basically sold by her brother as a wife and become powerful only because of being close to that Aquaman dude.
     
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  12. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    Just wondering how to test that because, again, they actually have a test to make sure you're a mid-level magic user.
     
  13. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    "Test"
    "Mid-level"
    "Cast... Sparks"
    "K you're in"

    There should be a proper build-up the colledge like maybe they send you to a series of teachers first.
     
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  14. DeadHill

    DeadHill First time out of the vault

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    Jul 4, 2017
    If this was real life, you'd be forced to pay a student loan of $9,999,999 and be forced to become a whiny lil' girl asking her dad to get some money which she'd spend on the latest iPhone and a car. Oh, and also there could be some test which wouldn't really change anything but would still be a procedure everyone went through.
    Might as well make anyone go to college - I mean, surely the campus magically extends and we're not making crap realistic here anyway.
    *yawn* AAAAAAAhhhh don't know... Maybe, like.... *yawn* fix the skills system instead of being LineAge 3 but shittier and single player? And maybe making it where you put points instead of getting everything at the beginning and then extending on it if you so wish?
     
  15. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    100% of your GoT is wrong.
     
  16. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    If it was real life, you would probably start a #Dragonlivesmatters group in your collegue, while refusing to learn any actually magic as the empire is a patriachy aimed at opressing powerfull women from their rightfull positions.
    - Since it's a Beth game you would still become Archmage of course.
     
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  17. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    Man, I *HATED* my social justice classes and I find you guys overthetop. :)
     
  18. Risewild

    Risewild Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Jun 14, 2014
    I replied to you just yesterday or maybe the day before. You don't even need to cast a spell. You can get in with a speech check, or you can just shout. Since you will always gain shouts during the main quest, you will always be able to join the college without any magical skill.
    Also if you don't have a spell you need to cast to enter, the "gatekeeper" will sell it for you for 30 septims... 30 septims and you're in even if you never cast a spell before.
    It is made for the player to always succeed. No challenge at all. RPGs used to be about challenge and succeeding with your build through strategy, inteligence and using your characters abilities. But in Skyrim you get to never fail because the game treats the player as a little baby who can't do anything by themselves unless the game does it for them.

    EDIT: It is even more handholding because the spells she sells for 30 septims all cost more than that in actual stores. So you can buy a spell that usually costs around 400 septims by 30 just so you can join the college.
     
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  19. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    Except the busy work actually fleshed out the guilds. For the Mages Guild, the quest for recommendations to enter the Arcane University was quite good as it establishes how difficult it is to get into the University (in theory, the quests were too simple tbh), fleshed out how the various guild branches operate, fleshing out the characters of some guilds (though only Bruma's the only relevant for the story) and etc.

    In fact, the guild quests of Oblivion are actually quite decent. Their conclusions are nothing special (looking at you, Mages Guild, with your discount Mannimarco) but there is a degree of effort in them when compared to Skyrim's cliched borefest. The Whodunit quest for the DB is probably my favorite quest of that game if played as the game intended due to how many ways you could do that quest while keeping to the parameters of the mission(though getting the Deceiver's Finery makes it cakewalk).

    Plus Skyrim's DB had the same busywork as Oblivion's so Skyrim should not be misrepresented here. Skyrim simply copied Oblivion like that.

    The Radiant Quest system of Skyrim effectively neutered the guilds of said game. Suddenly the 'busy work' quests were either fetch quests or extermination quests with mediocre questlines in between.

    And you've forgotten what @Risewild has said about that test.

    There is NO way to fail that test; Speech, Shout or bribery all but guarantees entry for a non-magical warrior/thief to enter the College. In fact, the spells you cast for said test are rather low level at best rather than mid-tier so no, the test is not a proper barrier. In fact, it's more like an flimsy excuse.

    EDIT:
    It is but what the game gave is a lot better than what it could have been. It would be shittier if the player suddenly became a Super Saiyan and beats up Dagon. You don't have any Septim blood nor do you have any connections to the Aedra like Martin does with the Amulet.

    At least it made sense lore-wise with Martin becoming an avatar of Akatosh.
     
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  20. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Not really. You can bypass the test by speech, and Faralda sells you all spells you'd need for the test. And they're all Apprentice Level, so no difficulty there, and all but Conjure Flame Atronach cost less mana than a noob character has. It doesn't test your actual magic skills like it did in Morrowind. Not that the requirements in Morrowind were super hard (an Associate needed no skills [makes sense because you're a noob that just joined and wants to learn magic] and Intelligence and Willpower at 30, an Archmage needed Intelligence and Willpower at 35 and one skill at 90 and two at 35), but they at least tried.
     
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