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Discussion in 'Fallout 4' started by DirtyOldShoe, Sep 4, 2016.

  1. DirtyOldShoe

    DirtyOldShoe Some kind of lucky

    Dec 15, 2015
    Lines of weeds criss-crossed the cracked parking lot of the Seashell Motor Courts. The flaking paint on the buildings had chalked to a pastel pink on walls covered with graffiti. Many of the windows had been smashed out. Where the sign had been, atop rusting steel posts, only the metal outline of a seashell remained.
     
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  2. 0wing

    0wing Все умрут, а я волномут

    Mar 23, 2015
    Nuka World is exaggeration of just what you said. You pay Bethesda to learn why they go their own way and not listen to the fans. Because they fuck up everything if not by design then they'll fuck things up intentionally. Apparently they tired of making easter eggs because it's too unclear for the audience.

    Seems like Nuka World is even more unclear since F4's recent rating gone up to 69%... Aaand Nuka World itself rated 51%.
     
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  3. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I think, most what happens can be summed up rather easily:
     
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  4. Prone Squanderer

    Prone Squanderer A bit of a Sillius Soddus.

    Jan 3, 2016
     
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  5. Deeves

    Deeves Well, he went a little funny in the head . . .

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    Jan 21, 2016
    Trying to listen to the internet is akin to trying to listen a schizophrenic with a microphone.

    But don't worry, Bethesda can get out of this rut. All they have to do is use their intuition fine tuned from over 15 years - phhhftt ha ha ha! of- ha ha quality RPGs! Hah! Who cares that you made the Phantom Menace of video games? Lucas is personally helming so many Star Wars projects after the bold and visionary direction he took his series it's unreal right now! It's all fine! I'm sure ZeniMax is totally understanding! Bwahaha!
     
  6. Proximo

    Proximo Bethesda got it right

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    Apr 3, 2016
    Christ. These stats makes me wonder what the percentages would be if the Fallout 3 and Fallout 4's DLCs were swapped. Even Point Lookout -- a DLC revered by many -- scored a whole 20% less than what is, in my opinion, the vastly inferior Far Harbor. This is perfectly indicative of the gaming industry's falling standards and genuinely makes me concerned for the future.
     
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  7. Arnust

    Arnust Maybe you've seen it, maybe, in a dream...

    Feb 2, 2016
  8. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Queen Bitch

    Jun 15, 2015
    I love Dead Money. I don't know why its gets so much hate. I guess gamers don't bother to look around for the radios in that DLC or also hate the fact that they can't take all the gold bars from the vault.
     
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  9. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I think it is the setting to be honest. I never played Dead Money, so take this with a grain of salt. But well ... just from the trailers, is just doesn't scream Fallout at me. The whole premise sounds simply ... to strange, it looks more like a horror survival game in a haunted mansion, and that's not what I expect in a post apocalytic game about exploration. But I applaud Obsidian for trying something different. That's what DLCs are there for I think, experimenting and trying something new. Becaus at the end of the day, it is just a DLC/Addon, and you can simply ignore it if it's not your taste.
     
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  10. aenemic

    aenemic Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Jun 4, 2008
    Is is indeed more of a survival horror game, but I actually loved the setting and felt it fit in very well in the Fallout world. The whole casino thing has a strong 50's vibe, but with futuristic technology that works as a backbone for the gameplay. It's very dark and dystopian and playing through it is one of moments within the Fallout world where I really felt for the people it had affected. This part, with the hologram of Vera Keyes always makes me really uneasy (in a good way).

    I don't really get why people don't seem to like it. Maybe because you actually had to think and do some problem solving to get through it.

    On the other hand, I don't see why Old World Blues is so universally praised. It had some excellent writing and some really good humour, but I also found it way too wacky and "out there" and not fitting in with the Fallout universe at all.
     
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  11. Prone Squanderer

    Prone Squanderer A bit of a Sillius Soddus.

    Jan 3, 2016
    Just goes to show many people didn't understand the message of Dead Money.

    I'll admit the radios can be annoying from time to time, but I still think it's a great DLC. The atmosphere, characters, themes, especially the tragic story of Fredrick Sinclair and Vera Keyes.
     
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  12. lolpop109

    lolpop109 Water Chip? Been There, Done That
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    Jul 14, 2016
    I was't over keen on dead money its probably my least favorite FNV but Jesus Christ I appreciate a story that makes sence and some decent dialogue
     
  13. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    You know guys, you shouldn't be so quick with your judgement. The thing is, I feel like you agree with 'negative' reviews when it comes to Bethesda, the majority has spoken right? While you're relatively quick with dismissing the statistic for Dead Money as, the players simply didn't get it. I am not saying that this is necessarily false, but again, I can just say that Dead Money simply doesn't feel like It would offer me personaly what I crave in a post apoc game. It just feels to whacky, but most of the DLCs give me this feeling. I don't mind some amount of whacky, but it reminds me to much to Fallout 2 rather then Fallout 1, where the whacky stuff was kept to a minimum really. The fact that the game engine is not aging very well, doesn't help much either. But that one's on Bethesda.
     
  14. Einhanderc7

    Einhanderc7 Vat dipped, grown and still oozing with perfection

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    Apr 22, 2016
    What this all basically comes down to is that Fallout 4 does not afford players the freedom they require in a Fallout game. In the older games you could literally murder an entire town, loot the place, and move on.

    What really grinds my gears is Bethesda just doesn't understand that amount of work or I should say lack of work required to allow great deals of player freedom. The moment to prevent the player from interacting in the world in the way they see fit you have failed.

    Example: Un-killable NPC's, completely linear game play, un-controlable stats, etc...

    When it comes to Fallout, Bethesda has attempted to assert structure in a system that does not require it. In doing so have forced all their would be players to shell out additional cash just to have the "freedom" that they should have had the entire time.
     
  15. lolpop109

    lolpop109 Water Chip? Been There, Done That
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    Jul 14, 2016
    I'm auguring with stats but again it very subjective. I got playing fo3 FNV there four it would be hard for me to rank them above fallout 4 same with orginal fallouts. I think i relpy ever fallout game to make my own judgement and i do feel fallout 4 will be lowest because of its lack of replay ability a generally good game should have reliability expect rare games like last of us witch i feel just has a great oen time story. But yeah I think the stats are pretty fair myself. Fallout 4 has been the weakest fallout yet and we know it however the gmaing industry has expanded and more people get to player it therefore its a 'bigger thing' But i think if you really look at the rating ect you will know that early fallouts are simply better ect.
     
  16. aenemic

    aenemic Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Jun 4, 2008
    Of course it's all very subjective, but personally why I wonder why Dead Money isn't very popular is exactly because I feel it is very true to Fallout in a lot of ways. For one, there's nothing wacky about it. Second, the characters are well put together with backstory and their own agendas. The futuristic technology of the Sierra Madre has gone haywire and is working against you. You have to explore and make do with what you find since supplies are very scarce.

    You're also pretty quick with your judgement considering you judge things you haven't tried out for yourself ;)
     
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  17. lolpop109

    lolpop109 Water Chip? Been There, Done That
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    Jul 14, 2016
    Tbh i still don't know why dead money would goten that low sorce. I thought it been little bit higher but i thought operation anchorage would of been higher too again its subjective but there you have it
     
  18. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Bla bla bla, subjective, bla bla, (...), didn't I already said that you should take my opinion with a grain of salt, see it as an ... note by an outsider :p.

    If we would be all agreeing with each other all the time, this place would become boring real quick I think :D.
     
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  19. Arnust

    Arnust Maybe you've seen it, maybe, in a dream...

    Feb 2, 2016
    I think that Dead Money "is there" for:

    - Showing what happened to a big part of the high class from pre-war society (and not say EVRYONE WENT INTO A VAULT AND SH*T HAPPENED)
    - Make a bigger deal out of "Survivability", especially if in HC mode; as broken gear and low supplies stop being a problem around 10 hours in Vanilla, you can actually reach critical levels on the primary needs and getting a leg ripped by Ghosts is not funny.
    - Player home! Abandoned BOS Bunker gets spicy with some GECK action, but The Sink bested it (in looks and simplicity, i prefer the bunker)
    - Expand upon a character from a loading screen, lol

    Making Old World Blues' lore a prequel:
    - Become the conclusion of Elijah's and Christine's "storyline" going on in Old World Blues, and also Veronica by extension (she gets sweet perks if you get it straight)
    - Research from Big MT being applied, the Saturnite, Holograms, Stealth Armor, Expender Machines, hazmat suits, etc.

    I frickin' love this DLC, but i found these flaws that must annoy some players:
    - No Side Quests, although they are perfectly expendable in this occasion (who or what would give it to you? and where?). Side exploring would be nice instead, the A World Of Pain mod adds some extra time of locations and loot (a hidden 12.7mm pistol <3) so it could have been that way.
    - Linear-ish Main Quest, not really "The Crew" ones but the ending, it could have been considerably extended
    - Speakers. I didn't mind them much, except for that single one in the ending, as it requires you to run up to a terminal and hack it with your "time stop" abilities, and it gave some sense of disbelief.
    - More ghost variants, but again, it would have defeated the point and required of a bigger area.
    - The Casino and the Hologram trade is pointless gameplay-wise, as it's very close to the conclusion of the DLC. I guess that you can make big money if your build is useful for that, and get huge amounts of supplies via SM Chips.
     
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  20. Prone Squanderer

    Prone Squanderer A bit of a Sillius Soddus.

    Jan 3, 2016
    When I said "Just goes to show many people didn't understand the message of Dead Money" I was talking about the folks who hated not being able to take all the gold. Although you can actually, just that it's not easy.

    Dead Money does have its bad points, such as the radios and large number of traps. Plus it's disappointing you can't return, but again that's part of the DLC's message I think.

    I liked all the DLCs for New Vegas though, even if at some points it is whacky (talking to your brain for example).

    Though I think most will agree that Lonesome Road is barely whacky at all, save maybe for ED-E.
     
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