what's with this community and the toxicity towards bethesda?

Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by Danse-man, Oct 9, 2018.

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  1. Danse-man

    Danse-man First time out of the vault

    Oct 9, 2018
    I'm new here.

    All i can say, is that this place is a fucking cesspool. it's so damn toxic.

    Seriously. all everyone does here is circle-jerk the old fallout games and literally hates all the new ones. Anyone who says otherwise is shot down just like the nukes over new vegas. insults against bethesda are so rampant here that it's just awful.

    I am not a bethesda fanboy. I like new Vegas. I adore the isometric fallout games. I'm basically like all of you. But i do not hate fallout 4 or fallout 3. In fact, every game in the series is good at its own thing. people must realize this.

    People in this website are clouded by nostalgia. this has to stop.

    It has become so bad that this website is losing members at a tremendous rate. one of the mods even made a thread about it.

    With the new fallout 76 people in this sub are going fucking apeshit. why? just because fallout 76 is multiplayer, doesn't automatically turn it into a micro transaction riddled game devoid of good quests. people bring up creation club, forgetting that Bethesda allows free mods. As bad as fallout 4's main quest is, have some hope in bethesda. Who knows? maybe 76 has really good quests. everyone just judges too quickly here.

    Anyways, i hope everyone stops being so fucking toxic. Each and every fallout game has something good to it. may it be interplay, obsidian, bethesda, whatever. Just please be less toxic. can you imagine what a new member that comes here would think of you? a bunch of savages hoping for another isometric fallout that would probably never come into action.

    I'm probably going to get fucked over by insults and whatnot, but i don't care. i've made my point. it is up to you if you will accept the new fallouts they way they are.
     
  2. Norzan

    Norzan Vault Dweller

    Apr 7, 2017
    >joined today
    >claims the community is toxic

    I smell low effort trolling, but i'll bite because i just want this response in written form. Just to copy and paste when someone else tries to ask the same.

    Fallout 3 and 4 completely fail as Fallout games and as basic games. They fail at Fallout games because they take an huge piss on the series and fail as video games because everything it tries to achieves some other franchise did it much better. The S.T.A.L.K.E.R games are miles better than the Fallout Bethesda games and even gameplay wise, i would say it's better than New Vegas. So i'm not gonna say "it has good in it" when some other franchises do this type of game much better.

    The Bethesda Fallout games are just big, empty, souless pieces of crap that take advantage of the license for profit. Bethesda could have literally just did their own post-apocalyptic franchise but they wouldn't have the name recognition. If Fallout 3 was Nuke Scrolls i wouldn't care for it.

    And last, the word toxic has pretty much lost its meaning at this point. A lot of people don't like Fallout 3 and 4 here, deal with it. You coming here telling us "to see the good in those games" or "to be less toxic" is not gonna change a thing. So no, i'm not gonna accept them for "what they are".
     
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  3. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish ...I Remember...

    Sep 11, 2010
    He picked the worst waifu of Fallout 4. Of course he's a troll.
     
  4. Squadcar

    Squadcar It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Jun 1, 2018
    But they confirmed it is having those albeit cosmetic.
    I may be missing something here but when I first joined NMA no one gave me shit when I said I was going to buy 76 because it looked like a fun multiplayer game to me, or that I thought Fallout 3 wasn't hot garbage but rather just a mediocre attempt at Fallout. So I don't know where this toxic behavior is. I've owned every Fallout game besides Brotherhood of Steel and no one here crucifies me. I don't like how Bethesda is handling the franchise and I'm honestly more inclined to buy a multiplayer one than the hot garbage single player ones. I have lower standards for multiplayer though and I've given up on hoping for a good Fallout again.

    I think when people try to pass off 3 and 4 as masterpieces is when people get a bit toxic. If you were going to try and convince me that the Eragon movie was a good movie compared to Lord of the Rings or tell me that Vyöhyke could ever compare to Сталкер, I'd be laughing at you to be honest.
     
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  5. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Lots of people here have given balanced views on both FO3 and FO4. FO3 was praised for the atmosphere and visual design, FO4 was praised for being a fun-enough shooter. What the hell more do people want? For everyone to cry tears of joy, group hug and french kiss in celebration? Sigh...
     
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  6. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    That's right. Repetitive procedurally generated Radiant Story crap turns it into a shitty game devoid of good quests, let's not blame only multiplayer for that.
     
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  7. Einhanderc7

    Einhanderc7 Vat dipped, grown and still oozing with perfection

    Apr 22, 2016

    Every time a troll jumps in the forums for a day it's like a low level orc incursion in Imperial space. Let's see if the Planetary Defense Forces can candle it or if this is going to turn into a full scale WWAAAAGGGHHHH. Can't tell if the post is reactionary or inflammatory on purpose?


    What cracks me up is this concept of "having a differing opinion is considered toxic" mentality that fosters the toxic nature of the multiple communities related to Fallout. @Danse-man I'm curious have you taken the time to read the various threads where the members actively discussed various aspects related to the games? You may be surprised that many members here on NMA actually do like the modern titles, as well the classics.

    While yes many members will make it known they find various aspects of all the games not so pleasurable, they are however engaged in the ever ongoing discourses about the games. Want to know why they do this? Because even opinion that differ from their own may have nuggets of information in them that illuminate other attributes of the games.

    Hell if I wanted I could make a post that in an inflammatory way craps all over the original titles, and guess what would happen. The NMA community would actually engage with it and provide their own observations to either support or contest the inflammatory nature of such a post.

    The reality is the "toxic" community in relation to the Fallout brand are those that refuse to actually engage in the topic of discussion and infer that others are inferior because they do not share the same view as they do. A great example of this can be seen on the main forums for Bethesda where individuals are constantly "shouted" down, banned, or ignored because no one has any interest in engaging in an actually discussion.

    So if you want to illuminate toxicity of the Fallout community, you need not loot any further than the Bethesda forums, as they are by far more toxic than NMA has ever been from my observations.

    That being said, please feel free to engage in the various topics in the forums. Personally even if you have conflicting opinion to my own I think I speak for everyone when I say we welcome you and look forward to hearing your perspective.
     
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  8. Squadcar

    Squadcar It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Jun 1, 2018
    I misread this at first and was about to be very upset.
    No, dude, gameplay wise STALKER is fantastic compared. NV is just a great RPG in an awkward perspective. STALKER is a great shooter. I wouldn't really compare them outside of the fact that NV has FPS elements because of the way the game had to be developed.

    I just don't like comparing STALKER to RPGs because STALKER is not a RPG. It's a survival (adventure?) shooter. It has an inventory, gear progression, and dialogue/faction options in terms of RPG-elements. It doesn't even have a shoehorned "skill tree" or "perks" that have to be in every AAA game now.
     
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  9. Big No

    Big No Watch as I open and close this door

    Oct 28, 2014
     
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  10. Norzan

    Norzan Vault Dweller

    Apr 7, 2017
    @Squadcar

    I meant more in exploration based shooter and not as a RPG, STALKER is far better than any 3D Fallout game in that department. And Fallout 3 and 4 are barely RPGs anyway, so i can just play STALKER if i want my post-apocalyptic exploration and play New Vegas for roleplaying.

    So yes, i'm gonna compare the STALKER games with Fallout 3 and 4 because the praises the latter two games get are done better in the former games. And that's exploration, atmosphere and enviromental storytelling.
     
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  11. Squadcar

    Squadcar It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Jun 1, 2018
    Okay, fair enough then lol. I understand it more with Fallout 4 though than 3.
     
  12. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018
    You sound like a faggot.
     
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  13. Risewild

    Risewild Half-way Through My Half-life
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    Welcome around here.

    I like Fallout 3, CT Phipps likes Fallout 4 and no one here is toxic at us. Some people might be toxic but only to those who come by and are toxic at NMA.

    Your post have been repeated over and over in the past too. I do find it funny how people come by and call us toxic, and ask why we can't accept the new Fallout games or Bethesda and all of that, while ignoring that by doing that, they are being the same as what they call us, they are being toxic and they are not accepting us. It goes both ways.

    Anyway, I will bite the bullet and reply... As I usually do when these threads are made.

    Let me address your post:
    I bet you didn't even check 1% of all the posts around here. You would notice that the majority of posts are not toxic at all.
    I have the feeling you consider the entire place toxic because members around here do not like games you do. And that was the posts you read.

    Are we toxic for having our own tastes in videogames? Are we to be forced to like what others like? Can't we be in our little corner, sharing opinions with other people without hurting anyone?
    Should I join a Fallout 4 forum and start going there and call everyone there shills and fanboys without any good taste because they like Fallout 4?
    The answer is no, I don't mind people liking Fallout 4 or Fallout 76, I actually want people to enjoy their hobbies and be pleased with the products they paid for.
    What I mind is people wanting to force their tastes on others (specially ridiculous stuff like games) that don't share them.
    What people must realize is that people have different tastes. And of course Bethesda Fallout games are good at their own things, the problem is that those things are not appealing to most people around here.
    You like the classic games, and you like Bethesda Fallout games, that's all fine and dandy. But there are people who like cRPGs but don't like shooters, I can't stand shooters, I just can't.
    Fallout 3 still had enough RPG system in it for me to have enjoyed it, but Fallout 4 has too little of it left, plays way more like a shooter than a RPG and I can't suddenly change who I am for 3 decades and start liking a game that plays like a shooter.
    Just because Fallout 4 is good at it's own thing, doesn't mean it's own thing is good for me.
    This website is everything but clouded by nostalgia, you would know this if you had read similar threads to the one you just started.
    A large % of members that joined in the last 10 years only played the classic games after playing Fallout 3 and/or Fallout New Vegas.
    The old people like me (even though I only joined 4 years ago) that actually played the classic games before Bethesda got the IP are also not clouded by nostalgia because we still play the classic games today. Last time I played Fallout 1 was last year, last time I played Fallout 2 was this year.
    Nostalgia is remembering something in a more positive way then it actually is, but we do not remember the classic games in a more positive way, we play the games still, so we do not "remember" them.
    Also for someone who is calling NMA toxic, you seem very demanding and forceful, with your "this has to stop."
    We are not losing members at a tremendous rate. We still have almost 35.000 members, it's true that most of those are probably inactive, but we still have around 100 different people checking the site daily. Also, whenever Bethesda releases a new Fallout game, we get tons of new members. It happened with Fallout 3, Fallout 4 and I bet it will happen with Fallout 76 and Fallout 5 in the future.
    If you think people are being mean to Fallout 76 because it is multiplayer, then you really haven't been paying attention. Being multiplayer has nothing to do with people not liking what they have seen of the game.
    Again, you only read some people commenting negatively on stuff you like, and you start throwing the toxic around.
    You say that each and every Fallout game has something good to it. But that is only half true, each Fallout game has something good to it for someone, not for everyone.
    Fallout was the most revolutionary cRPG ever made, so for people that really love cRPGs, the classig games have something good about them, but for people that don't like shooters and/or action games, the newer Fallout games has nothing good about them. Because like I said before, people have different tastes and just because someone likes one thing, doesn't mean everyone else has to like it too.
    Imagine if people like me, that like the classic games, would go to sites, forums, Reddit, Steam, GOG.com, etc and started to tell people who don't like the classic games, that they have to like the games because they have something good to them, that those people have to change their tastes, that if they say anything bad about the classics, that they are toxic! Wouldn't that be effective and nice?

    Also, during the four years I have been around here, I have seem plenty of people joining and say how happy they are that they found a community where they can express their taste on Fallout games without being crucified. :lmao: This is true, I am not making this up.
    If you think people here are toxic, you should see what people who like the new Fallout games do to people who just as much say anything bad about Fallout 4 for example.

    I also forgot to say this:
    Everyone here knows quite well the problems and bad things the classic games have. We are very critical of the classic games, we can all point out the stupid and bad things in the games, and we do from time to time. That is what NMA does, it is critical of Fallout games, new and old.
     
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  14. Norzan

    Norzan Vault Dweller

    Apr 7, 2017
    If anything, this is probably one of the least toxic Fallout communities. Go to shit like Reddit and criticize the new fallout games just a little and you get bombarded with people telling you're a retard and you're wrong.

    Guess being a blinded fanboy regardless of the quality of the games is better than being critical of the games while still being able to enjoy them. :roll:
     
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  15. Paladin Hank

    Paladin Hank First time out of the vault

    May 6, 2018
    How could you not go ape-shit on Fallout 76? Have you actually looked at the game? Its a carbon copy of Fallout 4 with :
    1) still terrible graphics (I mean seriously have you seen that nuke explosion at the end? It looks so fucking bad).
    2) clunky gameplay: vats is pointless, visual bugs galore,
    3) completely incoherent everything:
    a) Why in the hell are there even Supermutants and the Brotherhood of Steel in West Virginia?? Why is West Virginia so colourful and unscathed by nuclear devastation when the game is supposed to be set literally 25 years after the end of the world?
    b) All the creatures/enemies in the game make no sense:
    - Giant sloths have been extinct for about 11000 years.
    - The scorchbeast is basically Skyrim's dragon (Bethesda is so lazy they probably reused the same animation). Not only is the name dull the creature itself really doesn't feel like it belongs in a Fallout game ( as if you could call this game that).
    - Scorched beings are just feral ghouls with a different skin
    - Petrified corpses defy any form of logic
    I could go on but I think you get the point.
    4) But most of all the game is soulless; it has no purpose. Its just a sandbox where you shoot shit and loot garbage all the time. The only audience this game is going to attract is Bethesda fanboys and CoD enthusiasts. The pinnacle of the gaming community.

    But the worst part of it all is that Bethesda knows their making a shitty, worthless product. That's why they invited tons of youtubers and game reviewers to the luxurious Greenbrier resort; so they could bribe them into endorsing their awful game by offering them free food, flight, hotel... Most of the reviews you're seeing online are heavily biased and not to be taken seriously.
    So i'm sorry but this game deserves every ounce of hate it gets. No one is stopping you from buying it though; just know you'll have fun for a couple of hours with friends before you realise just how bare-bones and empty it truly is. Then maybe you'll realise that Bethesda doesn't truly care about your sorry ass. And by purchasing this game you'll be fully contributing to the mediocrity of modern games, showing developers that its okay to make a shit game and not give a crap because if it has brand recognition people will buy it anyway.

    Also your comment about the community being toxic and blinded with nostalgia is plain false and we've heard it so many times before that its honestly getting kinda old. I was introduced to Fallout less than a year ago, thanks to Fallout 4 ironically, so that's already half your argument gone. Plus the community here is far from toxic. Many people here don't hate Bethesda and that's completely fine; No one is forcing you to love or loathe anything. No one here is imposing anything of you. But by making false allegations with no significant proof backing it up all you're doing is making a fool of yourself.

    EDIT: Damn it Risewild you beat me to it!
     
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  16. Einhanderc7

    Einhanderc7 Vat dipped, grown and still oozing with perfection

    Apr 22, 2016
    So do we think Danse-Man will continue to engage with us or is this a case of:

    If that's the case should we just vat this thread now?
     
  17. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018
    At some point you have to ask, when you type out these long, well-thought-out responses to obvious hive-kicking bullshit... Who are you doing it for again?
     
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  18. Paladin Hank

    Paladin Hank First time out of the vault

    May 6, 2018
    Myself haha
    I love how short and concise your answer to @Danse-man was @Cliffy McEdgeface . You went straight to the point there bucko!
    Also how did you change your username if you don't mind my asking?
     
  19. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018
    So it's basically masturbation.

    I mean, not that that's a bad thing, no value judgments here.

    These kinds of fuckwits are banking on you effortposting and defending NMA's honor as a community. Anything more than the verbal equivalent of a fart and an upturned middle digit is probably a waste.

    I made people mad on the Internet.
     
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  20. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA A Smooth-Skin

    Oct 26, 2016
    Is this thread a worthy successor to Mfkndggrfll's reign of terror?