Are the Originals... Overrated?

Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by Ben Soto, Apr 1, 2016.

  1. Ben Soto

    Ben Soto Professional Salt Shaker

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    Jul 7, 2014
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    Personally, I feel Fallout 1 and 2 are overrated. I liked Fallout 1, but I don't agree that it's this all-mighty example of a perfect RPG, and Fallout 2... Let's just say I have choice words about Fallout 2. Namely;

    FUCK. THAT. GAME.

    Both games suffer from poor graphics (even for the time,) bad gameplay, and an overall lackluster atmosphere. Fallout 2, in my mind, suffers from a rather lackluster story that unfortunately permeates the entire experience for me.

    At the very least, 1 had a good story.

    So, how about it? Are the original games overrated, or am I being Mary Quite-Contrary and they're actually totally perfect?
     
  2. Ragemage

    Ragemage Wept for Zion

    Feb 20, 2016
    To answer the title question as bluntly as possible: No.
     
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  3. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Ragemage pretty much sums it up. Nothing is perfect, FO1 and 2 are not perfect.
    But from "not perfect" to "actually, they are overrated" to "fuck. that. game." those are very long steps :D
     
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  4. Earth

    Earth Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 7, 2013
    When I looked at the title of this thread I immediately knew who wrote it without even clicking the link.

    You hate turn-based combat we get it.
     
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  5. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    Poor graphics? How so? Mo-cap animations in Fallout are top-notch actually, just compare it with any 3D low-poly/blocky monstrosity from 1997. You are biased, sir!
     
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  6. Millim

    Millim The Big Straight Orderite

    Oct 13, 2010
    Short answer: No. They are underrated.
    Long Answer: Both games have their flaws, heck, every game has their flaws, they need to.
    I've not played so much of F2 but the first game hit an emotional spark for me a few years ago. I believe it's one of the reasons I want to make games now. Today, we get crap like Fallout 4 shoved in our face like it's the saint of all games. Yet F1 was just a few guys coming together and making something they love.
    Hell, F2 and NV was made out of love too. You think Obsidian likes being screwed by Bethesda? They just want to make more Fallout games (which breaks my heart to know they never will), and it's why they helped bring back the Wasteland I.P.
    So no, they are underrated because they showcase the very best of gaming. They show us how games should be made.
    And they tell us that we should be taking risks. You think Bethesda are taking risks with Fallout 4? They aren't, they are playing it safe which is the problem as they have so many talented people working on their games that we don't see their true potential.
    But I'm getting off-track. Point being, Fallout 1&2 deserve more fans. I would love for F4 to bring in more people who will play the older games. But sadly, only a small percentage will.
     
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  7. Knight In Leather Armor

    Knight In Leather Armor Badger Nutsack

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    Feb 6, 2016
  8. BairdEC

    BairdEC It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jun 21, 2015
    Nope, they are not overrated. The graphics and gameplay were comparable to Baldur's Gate. They weren't perfect, either. The story was well written enough that I felt engaged by it; shooting stuff wasn't the primary draw of the game. There were plenty of enjoyable moments... like when you climb down into the Modoc outhouse and think "Sulik, put some shoes on!" If you don't like turn-based combat and isometric views, then I guess that style of game just isn't for you. I hope you didn't waste any money on Wasteland 2 or Pillars of Eternity.
     
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  9. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    No, wouldn't say they're overrated. They have their flaws, but they're really just excellent RPGs.
     
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  10. DirtyOldShoe

    DirtyOldShoe Some kind of lucky

    Dec 15, 2015
    I still play Fallout 2. Last time I played it was a month ago, time before that January 2016. I love it and I think your post is overrated. I have put more time into Fallout 2 then Fallout 3 and 4 if that says anything.
     
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  11. mrchaos

    mrchaos Super Orc

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    Nov 14, 2015
    No.
     
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  12. Vergil

    Vergil Banned

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  13. Spacemunkey

    Spacemunkey Vault Senior Citizen

    Dec 4, 2015
    No I'd say they are rated just about where they should be and quite honestly we are almost to a point where they will soon be underrated by all but the core fans.


     
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  14. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Go home. You drunk.
     
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  15. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Little lady with the mouth of a sailor

    Jun 15, 2015
    I hate the word overrated. Its a word that people throw around to invalidate a person liking a certain thing and as well use to justify their hatred towards a certain thing instead of describing why they don't like that certain thing. Its lazy, arrogant and pointless. TotalBiscuit has a good vid on why he hates the word overrated and why he wants it to be retired from gaming discussions, start at 24:40
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  16. PossibleCabbage

    PossibleCabbage Vault 22 Survivor

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    Jul 2, 2015
    I reject the notion of "overrated" and "underrated." Simply because, ontologically those terms imply that there is a "correct" rating of a work of fiction (that the general perception of which deviates from) and that's frankly nonsense.

    I think what we see though is that people who adore your 90s isometric RPGs for being exemplars of what they value in games have trouble impressing this upon people who value completely different things in games. I imagine it's much the same as when people can't get across to me how awesome the competitive multiplayer modes are in whatever the manshoot of the day is.

    But basically we can only view games through the lenses of "what we think is important/unimportant" in games and no two people are going to have precisely the same priorities regarding fiction (or alternatively that anybody's set of priorities regarding fiction is just as valid as anybody else's.) When it comes to a values clash when discussing fiction, those works which are exemplars of what one party values tend to get brought up disproportionately often as the speaker is simply not especialy interested in defending an average example of what it is they like. If you're going to impress upon someone how wonderful Mexican food is, you're going to bring up the best taco you ever ate, not the 37th best taco.
     
  17. Sergeant Politeness

    Sergeant Politeness Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Jun 20, 2015
    What the fuck is this for a shit?

    Yes, this is all I have to add to this discussion.
     
  18. DirtyOldShoe

    DirtyOldShoe Some kind of lucky

    Dec 15, 2015
    I can honestly say that I have never used the word overrated to 'rate' a game, I try to find more childish and creative ways of telling others they have bad taste.
     
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  19. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    I think the games are pretty underrated too considering people keep talking about the Bethesdian Fallouts and thinking those were the games that started the series when in fact that's quite the opposite.
    They're by no means perfect but they're really good RPGs. As for the graphics, I think they hold up really well considering if you look at games like Deus Ex and other 3D games you realize how much they've aged as opposed to say a 2D Isometric game.
    If there's any game that's "overrated" it's that piece of shit Fallout 4 that everybody keeps praising even though it's a shoot everything up walking simulator.
     
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  20. PossibleCabbage

    PossibleCabbage Vault 22 Survivor

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    Jul 2, 2015
    I think most games conventionally termed "walking simulators" are a lot more interesting than Fallout 4. Since they give you time and space to notice and think about things, whereas Fallout 4 is throwing another asshole or mutated animal at you to murder about every 25 seconds.

    I mean, contrast how much Firewatch gives you to think about and makes you feel to how much Fallout 4 does. The 4.5 hour game laps the 100+ hour game here.