( Please read the whole post, partly reading it will make you think I am biased or harsh when I'm not) Look maybe it's wrong of me to seek compromise but comeon. The fights dismissing Bethesda is childish. Look I know you guys like FO1 and FO2 and their good games. But you act like Black isle Studies were gods. Fact is they made other Fallout games and they DID make them wether you'd like to pretend to yourself they did or not. And so you pretend they didn't and just say they made the two games you consider masterpieces: Fallout 1 and 2. As for Obsidian their games have been buggy/Sub-par/ or actually pretty good but Average in scale. Meaning Surprise! Because their humans not everything they do is perfect and also the fallout veterens have been with them for awhile so don't pretend they JUST joined the team to make New Vegas. I mean afterall, only Michael Jordan is God in disguise! *coughs* Jokes aside Bethesda have made mistakes too, their games being buggy aswell like..well a lot of other RPGs. But their a class act RPG maker. While Black Isle and their workers who moved on to Obsidian made Fallout 1 and 2 they made missteps aswell(Fallout Tactics, Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel and their recent games have been mediocore. So please don't protect them and treat them like gods because fact is they haven't been doing too well recently. Now while yes they are making Fallout: New Vegas don't pretend like Bethesda is giving them free rein, fact is behind the scenes their helping aswell. Kind of like the situation with Devil May Cry where Team Little Devil and Hideki Kamiya helped the DMC 2 team to make DMC 3, a masterpiece in the hearts of DMC fans. Look at both their strengths. Far as I've seen Black Isle's team(Some of them in Obsidian now) had strengths in story and writing. Bethesda's strengths are in making the game itself along with a bit of humor and writing. What I wish would happen would be if Bethesda made Fallout 4 with a new engine and dabbled the game with ideas and humor and Obsidian was hired alongside to work on the story and writing. Remember, everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. So is true for Black Isle/Obsidian/ and Bethesda team members.