Black Lives Matter

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Mr Fish, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish Snug Rubber

    Sep 11, 2010
    I didn't know that the police force was primarily made up of black people. Or is it that black police officers just go on killing sprees in black neighbourhoods? Cause I don't see how the police is the problem for most of the black folks dying.

    https://www.theatlas.com/charts/4yj9OKoQg

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  2. Tiny Tim

    Tiny Tim Still Mildly Glowing

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    Sep 29, 2015
    random googling about that

    "Black-on-black crime" is a symptom of broader structural inequalities
    Since the term emerged in the early 1980s, hysteria over "black-on-black crime," which diagnoses the issue as a broader cultural failing, has obscured the economic and social inequalities that contribute to high crime rates in black neighborhoods.

    "Supposedly we saw youth that were going astray and that was the problem," University of Illinois geography professor David Wilson told the Root in 2010. "The media imposed this narrow [black-on-black] lens that looked at the category of culture. The culture was deemed as problematically different than the mainstream."

    Black people aren't uniquely predisposed to commit crimes against each other; crime is generally just racially segregated, based on a number of factors, including that most people commit crimes against people they either know or live near. According to the FBI's 2014 Uniform Crime Reports, close to 90 percent of African-American homicides were committed by other African Americans, while the majority (82 percent) of white American homicide victims were killed by other white people.

    Another factor that contributes to crime is poverty. A 2014 special report by the Department of Justice found that black and white households that lived in poverty were much more likely to be victims of crime, and were victims of crimes at similar rates (51.3 per 1,000 compared with 56.4 per 1,000, respectively).

    Black people are more likely to live in poverty without the resources necessary to get out of it. Redlining practices targeting black communities have deprived entire neighborhoods of their economic viability for generations. A 2015 report by the Century Foundation found that more than one in four African Americans lived in concentrated poverty, in comparison to one in 13 white people.

    Meanwhile, white families have six times as much wealth as black families, and the poverty rate for black people (27.2 percent) is almost three times that of their white counterparts (9.6 percent).

    Additionally, unemployment is far higher for black people, and always has been — by at least 60 percent since data collection started in 1972. At the end of 2015, the black unemployment rate was 9.5 percent — only slightly less than the national peak (9.9 percent) in 2009. The white unemployment rate was 4.5 percent.

    And yet politicians and government officials have advocated for community policing programs to curb crime, despite a lack of evidence demonstrating that it effectively does so. In September 2015, Attorney General Loretta Lynch announced that the Department of Justice would provide $12 million for these programs.

    In fact, racist policing can exacerbate these issues. Some departments try to turn a profit by ticketing, which tends to exploit racially biased policing practices. The Department of Justice’s report on Ferguson, Missouri, showed high incarceration rates there, because residents often could not afford to pay the fines incurred from ticketing they disproportionately faced. And a panel of New York police officers recently admitted they often target the most vulnerable — poor people, people of color, and LGBTQ people — to meet quotas.

    Violence within black communities and the overpolicing of black people are linked. But if an honest conversation is going to be had about either topic, especially in light of the latest officer-involved fatal shootings of black people, it needs to based on the fact that "black-on-black crime" is not simply black people's making.

    and by the way, no one said that most blacks were killed by police, that would be genocide and i'm sure we would notice
     
  3. CaptJ

    CaptJ The Rival of Roquefort Hall

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    Jan 19, 2016
    More absolving of personal responsibility or agency.
    Whenever I hear "have a honest conversation" it is never about how it is Black people fault. Is that what is a honest conversation should be? Ignoring the numbers?
     
  4. Tiny Tim

    Tiny Tim Still Mildly Glowing

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    Sep 29, 2015
    When in reality it's the blacks' fault, right? *sigh*
     
  5. CaptJ

    CaptJ The Rival of Roquefort Hall

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    Jan 19, 2016
    Apparently, an honest conversation should be one-sided.

    Yes, when a Black person does a crime, it is his fault.
     
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  6. Tiny Tim

    Tiny Tim Still Mildly Glowing

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    Sep 29, 2015
    Oh yeah. That's a cultural thing, totally not racist.
     
  7. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish Snug Rubber

    Sep 11, 2010
    @Tragos114
    Mind sourcing that quote you got there?

    And besides, you're the one going around saying blacks are being gunned down and that you're fully in support of Black Lives Matter which are pretty damn vocal about how much they prioritize police violence against black folks. And as far as I can see from that statistic right there, black people have twice as high a percentage of killing whites. So if the problem of that measly 7.6% is cause of police gunning blacks down then what the fuck is going on with the blacks killing whites' 14.8%?
     
  8. CaptJ

    CaptJ The Rival of Roquefort Hall

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    Jan 19, 2016
    Culture isn't race so it isn't racist. The Chinese language is a big part of Chinese culture but anyone can learn Chinese.
     
  9. Tiny Tim

    Tiny Tim Still Mildly Glowing

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    Sep 29, 2015
  10. CaptJ

    CaptJ The Rival of Roquefort Hall

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    Jan 19, 2016
    Good, do you know the distinction between killing and murder?
     
  11. Tiny Tim

    Tiny Tim Still Mildly Glowing

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    Sep 29, 2015
    Murder is against the law. So i guess the difference depends on the law you go by.
     
  12. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    Just a few decades ago blacks didn't have full human rights in USA. They weren't basically considered humans. A lot of US blacks alive today experienced all that stuff first hand. KKK still exists and seems to be gaining strenght and popularity with Trump. Etc.
     
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  13. Cimmerian Nights

    Cimmerian Nights So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Aug 20, 2004
    I think conflating Mississippi in the '50s to the nation as a whole is about as insightful as conflating '30s Germany with Europe as a whole. Not very.
     
  14. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    Are you insuniating that any part of the American continents is 'normal' today?
     
  15. CaptJ

    CaptJ The Rival of Roquefort Hall

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    Jan 19, 2016
    What is "normal" for continent? This is just confusing.
     
  16. Cimmerian Nights

    Cimmerian Nights So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Aug 20, 2004
    Not even sure what that means. If anything I'm trying to express that narrowly focusing on the worst case scenario of a very complicated and multifaceted issue in a very diverse lanscape doesn't really give you a comprehensive understanding of an issue.
     
  17. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    I fucking hate most cultures, not because I'm bigoted, but simply because of how backwards and stupid they are (yes, I hate my own country's culture too...).

    *Black people in the streets shooting each other like a bunch of fuckwits*

    BLM: "Its the cop's/whites fault!"

    People: "Please ghetto trash, please stop shooting each other!"

    BLM: "BLACK CULTURE BEST CULTURE".
     
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  18. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    What I really love is how suddenly ALL the problems people have either with black people or black culture or what ever, are projected on BLM now.

    Every black riot. BLM!
    Every black dude saying racist shit. BLM!
    Random acts of violence by black people. BLM!

    Everything, on both sides, is suddenly about race and skin colour or what ever.

    Shouldn't you say, when any person does a crime, it is his fault?
     
  19. CaptJ

    CaptJ The Rival of Roquefort Hall

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    Jan 19, 2016
    Yes but the statement that Black on Black crime isn't Black people's fault implies that Black people are somehow exempted from this basic rule which I believe is false.

    Maybe when people stop digging up the KKK. Also, when is BLM accountable for anything? When they all merge together into single giant blob of flesh?
     
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  20. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Yer fond of me Lobster!

    Oct 26, 2016
    This is like Hannibal Buress levels of logic. Somehow, the anecdotal cherry-picking of evidence is more representative than statistics (providing a bigger picture) conducted on the matter.

    If I went to liveleak and started looking for evidence that "all black people are violent thugs," and started linking a bunch of videos showing such, would we be coming to the conclusion that "all black people are thugs,: or that I have confirmation bias?