Fallout 4: A Generational Gem

Discussion in 'Fallout 4' started by Heisenberg, Feb 18, 2021.

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  1. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    Oh, it most definitely is a troll. It's behaviour on all of its visible posts makes this evident.

    Better to not waste time on it. It'll probably make new threads to bash Fallout 1, 2 and NV soon after this to bait more users.
     
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  2. Heisenberg

    Heisenberg Chemistry Teacher

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    Feb 17, 2021
    What threads have I made to bash Fallout 1,2 and NV?

    Also, do you call everyone who disagrees with you a troll? Just a question.
     
  3. Keyboard Gecko

    Keyboard Gecko Olympus 2207 english version is out! Look in info.

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    Jan 15, 2018
    As an eastern eutopean living under a truck, I am truly amazed by the sheer sizeness of this epic trolling. Laughed my ass off.

    Why though?
     
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  4. Heisenberg

    Heisenberg Chemistry Teacher

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    Feb 17, 2021
    If your hardware was any better you would be playing and modding Fallout 4.
     
  5. Keyboard Gecko

    Keyboard Gecko Olympus 2207 english version is out! Look in info.

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    Jan 15, 2018
    Oh. Ohkay
     
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  6. Alphons

    Alphons National Beholder

    882
    Aug 9, 2017
    Can we play a reverse game and can you name one total conversion for Fallout 4 that every American plays and mods on his better hardware?
     
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  7. Heisenberg

    Heisenberg Chemistry Teacher

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    Feb 17, 2021
    It took around 8 solid years for the first BIG new and unique conversion mod for New Vegas. You're not being entirely fair only giving Fallout 4 6 years.

    Well okay, let me list a few that are in production:
    - Fallout: Cascadia
    - Fallout: Miami
    - Fallout 4: Capital Wasteland
    - Fallout 4: New Vegas
    - Fallout: London
    - Fallout: New York
    - Project: Arroyo

    Now compare that to New Vegas, which had 3 big conversion mods over a decade. Those being *shock* Tale of Two Wastelands, New California and The Frontier. The latter two were disappointing and even your own members shit on them.

    I counted 7 active projects for Fallout 4 that are likely to release in the next 1-3 years. Much of their content has already been released in the way of armors, weapons, even perk overhauls and the dialogue boxes making a return. I don't remember that ever happening for New Vegas.
     
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  8. caplanchy

    caplanchy First time out of the vault

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    Feb 16, 2021
    I'll bite. Yes, the modding community is larger for Fallout 4, it is a more popular game. It had greater marketing, and it certainly doesn't hurt that it was released when gaming was a rising pastime. Do we count game quality by sales though? It may also be in part because Creation Kit is probably better than GECK for making mods.

    This is a strange assumption to make, and not really relevant.
     
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  9. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Resident crazy lady

    Jun 15, 2015
    Wow, this idiot proves what Four Decent Friends have said about the Nu-Fallout fandom: "Nu-Fallout fans don't like what made Fallout Fallout."
    Just look at the mods being made for Fallout 4. Can Fallout 4 modders make the game anymore generic? They just want Call of Duty in the post-apocalypse with an inventory and romances on the side. The only reason why people mod more for Fallout 4 is because the graphics are more updated and the Creation Kit is easier to make mods on and make scripts for. If New Vegas and the OG Fallout's are so terrible then why are people trying to recreate them for Fallout 4?
    Nope! Played it once for 2.5 hours and demanded my money back on Steam. It was terrible. People play Fallout to role play and make whatever backstory they want for their character. With 4 I was force to play distraught lawyer widow who was looking for her crouch fruit. Sorry but I don't want to be shoe horned with a character that has a established backstory. Takes away what is fundamental in an RPG.
     
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  10. 1Punman

    1Punman It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jan 29, 2021
    Weren't FO3 and FO4 main plotline centered around finding family members? If they make FO5 or whatever with Toad in charge I wouldn't be surprised if they go that direction again.
     
  11. killafornia

    killafornia First time out of the vault

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    Feb 16, 2021
    It's a sequel game that was developed in 8 years with the additional support of ID Software (Gun Mechanics). If they can't improve the Fallout 3/NV mechanics, then there is no reason to buy their product because this proves how incompetent they are. Seriously, Bugthestards defend their favorite game by its mechanics, not the actual content that completes the game.

    Bugthesda is the company that relies on the modding community to make money. Majority of current Fallout players are playing Fallout just because of the mods, not for the actual, original intended game content. If Fallout 4 had no mod support, It wouldn't be different than any other generic COD game. And actually, old COD games had interesting, deep stories with iconic, very likable characters unlike Fallout 3 and 4.

    If you really like its gun mechanics, play DOOM 2016 and DOOM Eternal. Shooting mindless, united Mad-Max style Raiders and 'dumbmutants' for hours is not 'fun'. At least for me, I have no desire on mass-murdering NPCs for fun.

    Like many newcomers into the series, I picked up Fallout 4 in 2015 and played it for 100 hours because I wasn't interested in the story, I was playing it to murder NPCs. It was something that I could waste my precious time on instead of studying the boring exams. Then I bought New Vegas........

    I spent literally a month reading the New Vegas lore. I've looked into every bit of intel about New Vegas because I was obsessed with it. This is how a videogame should be, especially a Fallout game. Not something you see in overrated but actually bad movies where the hero wins no matter what happens in the story.

    Either you are an idiot for making a statement like this, or acting like one to get attention. Fallout New Vegas is also a Bugthesda product, it was their game engine. I know what you are trying to achieve here, you are trying to bash New Vegas. I only have one, simple answer for you; Try launching Fallout 3 on Windows 10.

    There are many DLC-sized additional story mods on Nexus. If you've spent your time there instead of cluelessly bashing New Vegas, you'd see the answer to your question. Gamebryo engine is difficult to handle, sometimes it works, sometimes doesn't.
     
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  12. Norzan

    Norzan Vault Fossil

    Apr 7, 2017
    The hilarious thing about Fallout 4 is how overshadowed it was by the Witcher 3 to the point the latter ate all the GOTY awards, sold way more, and got much better review scores. This means that their previous games only sold well and got a ton of GOTY awards because there was no competition. As soon as they get any competition from another game in the same genre that also got a ton of marketing they get fucked instantly.

    The Bethesda fanboys can't even use the excuse that the game earned GOTY awards therefore is good because it barely won any. So it's hilarious to see them scrap for anything to defend this abomination of a game.
     
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  13. ResetRPG

    ResetRPG W/ my Girlfriend :-)

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    Dec 16, 2018
    Missing this troll a little extra tonight. :rip:
     
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  14. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Nov 26, 2007
    This is the problem with FO4; In an RPG they are supposed to. In Fallout 1 & 2, and as per RPGs premise, it is the character pulling the trigger, and it is their ability to aim that decides if they can hit the target.

    Riiight; not counting Marcus and Sulik I suppose.

    The mechanics were from the wrong games; FO3 & 4 derive their mechanics from TES:Oblivion; not from the Fallout series.


    Doubtful; even at 22000 MHz, Fallout's sounds were superb, and the gunfire & gore effects are better than anything I've heard from Bethesda.

    Bethesda ruined perks. Perks were uncommon rule alterations that made a character atypical, and affected the way the game played. Bethesda made so many perks and made getting them so frequent, that they had to neuter them so that perks were far less affecting, and so that having a dozen or more was not a problem for game balance. :(

    Is it that 1 charisma and 100 speech is the exact same as 10 charisma and 100 speech?

    Well... The latter PC and the first PC are like Tony Robbins and Tony Clifton both saying,"Don't stare at the Sun". Both are right, but one is a real jerk about it. Stats are for defining the PC—best if they have significant noticeable effects (on the mechanics), but some—or all of them could just as well be be cosmetic, so long as they accurately indicate the ability and personality of the character.

    All (working) perks give a positive rule exception in Fallout 1 & 2.


    Not even for free.

    That is possibly true.
    (But not something to brag about.:twisted:)
     
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  15. Black Angel

    Black Angel Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus

    Mar 21, 2016
    See that? That's a Bethestard
    You guys see this? It's a Bethestard, utterly incapable of properly 'praising' the game they have 'fun' with from an objective standpoint, so since they realized they can no longer point out how these games are ((((((good))))))) because they sold millions of copies, they now tried to cite how the game has 'robust' modding community, which produced absolutely nothing of value in comparison to the, in comparison, negligible Fallout 2 modding community.

    With just 2 TC mods alone, Fallout 2 modders managed to produce what easily counts as their own entirely new games. Compare that to the nu-Fallout modding scene, and yeah, that includes New Vegas's modding in regards to TC mods other than Tale of Two Wastelands, and even that I hesitated to mention because Fallout: Washington DC. At least New Vegas has plethora of mods to add to an already satisfying vanilla experience, but 3? 4? 76? Yuck.
     
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  16. Norzan

    Norzan Vault Fossil

    Apr 7, 2017
    People like the OP can't just accept that some people just don't like the Bethesda Fallouts and feel it's their duty to defend those games at all costs, trying to convince the naysayers that they are wrong. It's like they think the criticism the games get is a personal attack on them or that they have a duty to defend Bethesda no matter what.

    It's makes extra hilarious and also painful when they use the fact that the games sold a lot, therefore any criticism is void. But still get butthurt regardless and respond with threads like these and make five hours videos on how the games are "better than you think".
     
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  17. Atomic Postman

    Atomic Postman Mojave Express Employee of the Month

    Mar 16, 2013
    I ended up finding out by the way that the guy was actually from /fog/ after all, he uses the Heisenberg stuff there as well. I smelled it out in one of his earlier posts and called him out but he denied it . Turns out he's a regular tripfag on there. I looked up the /fog/ archive for the day he went on his troll rampage here and surprise surprise he was going absolutely fucking nuts in the /fog/ thread about the arguments he was having here. Utter nutcase.
     
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  18. ResetRPG

    ResetRPG W/ my Girlfriend :-)

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    Dec 16, 2018
    As long as someone comes in good faith, then I'm very happy to talk Bethesda Fallouts (especially because I still find them very fun to play through).

    But most of what you get on NMA when it comes to that sort of stuff is bad faith trolls from Reddit looking to piss people off and not have an informative discussion.
     
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  19. 1Punman

    1Punman It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jan 29, 2021
    Well, I am not surprised, makes you wonder why mental asylums have access to internet, hopefully for that poor schizoid, they sent him to solitary confinement.
     
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  20. Millim

    Millim Half-way Through My Half-life
    Orderite

    Oct 13, 2010
    At least we can safely say Fallout 4 is the best Fallout game of the generation.

    On a serious note however, it's a fun open World Sandbox, but not really much outside of that.