Fallout 4 - Why Details Matter

Discussion in 'Future Fallout Game Discussion' started by Skelok, Jul 24, 2015.

  1. Skelok

    Skelok Mad Man with a Mad Plan

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    Jul 23, 2015
    This is an unlisted video posted by Bethesda's YouTube account. It includes new commentary and some new gameplay. Thoughts?



    Let me know if your having any problems watching the video.
     
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  2. ChildServices

    ChildServices Banned

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    May 22, 2015
    Well it's certainly pretty. What disappoints me though is "details" to them seems to mean "GRAPHIXXX™ SPONSORED BY GUNNAR OPTICS™"
     
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  3. Presper

    Presper First time out of the vault

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    Jun 8, 2015
    I definitely like the new color scheme, as refreshing as it is I still wish to see more plant life. I wonder if the radiation storms are a good explanation for the lack of plant life? But wait, how could people grow crops? I really hope we see plants and farms in this next installment.
     
  4. Askorti

    Askorti HATE NEWSPAPERS

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    Jun 30, 2015
    Stalker-like blowouts? Sounds interesting, but only if the effects will be more of "Seek shelter or you die" rather than "A few more rads, whatever".
     
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  5. ChildServices

    ChildServices Banned

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    May 22, 2015
    Blowout soon, fellow vault dweller
     
  6. AgentBJ09

    AgentBJ09 Vault Dweller

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    Jul 9, 2015
    Too much graphical focus, though, if we're being honest, that sums up most of the leanings of the industry and player demands.
     
  7. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Would you not love to actually see a video where they say the exactly same about story, writting and the plot?
     
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  8. Oppen

    Oppen FIXT n°1 fan

    Dec 26, 2011
    They took that green filter out and they pat themselves in the back.
     
  9. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Details matter... except in rpg mechanics, dialogue writting and setting building. In those you can just throw wathever in, I mean most nerds can't even tell the difference between a good and bad story in the first place.
     
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  10. fred2

    fred2 Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Nov 2, 2013
    The world looks more vivid and realistic.

    Its about world and interior design, think a long the lines of the silly "where is the food" meme
     
  11. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    But do you actually need it? Does it really enrich the gameplay, as far as the game as Role Playing Game goes? I am not saying new graphics and better use of technology arn't welcome. They are VERY welcome! There is no reason not to use new engines and to update those. But having 5 different models of the same Fork? Or Teddy Bears and Garden Gnomes you can pick up? Would a game like Fallout 1 be a better game if you had 10 times the number of junk items to pick up? I would say it would be actually a worse game. And what I find funn in particular, because I had this discussion a few times, is how some explain the reason with this one weapon in the game that shoots garbage at enemies ... and it is actually seen as a big and important feature.

    But since Fallout by Bethesda is actually a theme park and closer to the Sims in terms of gameplay it is no surprise that they have a very high focus on visual fluff rather than what actually gives an RPG the bones where you have the meat on. Story. Consequences. Good writting.
     
  12. Eumesmopo

    Eumesmopo Learned to love the bomb

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    Dec 6, 2012
    The color scheme is just so... Sunset Overdrivish...

    I liked the ugly and depressing grayness better.
     
  13. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    This doesn't solve the "where do they get food" question (it's not a silly meme, unless of course Fallout 3 fans find quality writting silly). If only it only makes the problem worse if they haven't worked on actually building the world to show how it works on such matters. If you can pick up 3 types of sporks, or if teddy bears have shirts and you can even pick up worthless junk items for giggles yet the game still has a theme park design, no farms, no trading routes, not even relationships between settlements then it will be even dumber now that there is more visual representation of completely useless things while they are trying to sell a world where people are trying tu survive yet they have no visual representation on how they are they doing it exactly or how they are failing.

    But people want to pick up garden gnomes, so I guess they are just giving their player base wat they want.
     
  14. Moosick

    Moosick cats

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    Jul 8, 2015
    TBH "Frostfall, but for Fallout" type gameplay would immediately push the game up a point for me. Skyrim is unplayable without mods like Frostfall installed.
     
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  15. fred2

    fred2 Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Nov 2, 2013

    Assuming that you are asking just that, and not using this as segway to complain about writing. Then yes, everything Todd said is spot on. In FP openworld game, most of your time will be spent exploring the environment, and adding visual verity and more interaction options is important. The level of detail will help conveying the story the designers are trying to tell (visual storytelling), sometimes using your imagination is far better then spoon fed infodumps.
     
  16. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Why would you want a complex Skill system, more than 4 dialogue options and good writting when you can find 3 different kind of spoons?
     
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  17. Oppen

    Oppen FIXT n°1 fan

    Dec 26, 2011
    @fred2 is right that the particular feature of paying attention to visual details enriches the gameplay. The problem is that it seems like that's their only focus, and that they are dumbing down everything else, and that won't be balanced by a few visual effects and different walls and what not IMO.
    I'm personally not against having great looks. I'm against the game being *just* great looks and no substance.
    Having said this, I could be against great looks if that means I can't play it because I need a U$S3k computer, but I hope they are at least somewhat efficient in their programming, or allow me to disable features like any sane game allows. At the time of GTA IV, for example, I never managed to finish the first mission, because it ran infuriatingly slow. Around a frame per 5 seconds. Really.
     
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  18. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Yes ... I know what you mean. Feeding teddy bears and garden gnomes to your crap-luncher - because that is pretty much all you can do with that garbage you find - so you can burst the heads of raiders is incredible important for story telling.

     
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  19. Oppen

    Oppen FIXT n°1 fan

    Dec 26, 2011
    Well, I wouldn't mind being able to kill people in very impractical ways, like with a fork or a spoon.
     
  20. Askorti

    Askorti HATE NEWSPAPERS

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    Jun 30, 2015
    With a spoon, you say? Wait no longer:
     
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