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Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Crni Vuk, Jul 16, 2016.
No he isn't back now anyway nor should he be.
Thank you for the response, and I agree, he shouldn't be back.
I have hardly ever heard anybody claim that Islam is "the religion of peace"
I have also never heard any of my "pinko socialist" friends talk about how much they hate the viking age, their ancestors, their grandparents or "their heritage"
It very probably goes both ways though, the putting-words-in-each-others-mouths, but it really is doing nobody any good, especially in this very tense build up of collective emotion.
I'm sure plenty of right wing people does not actually want any kind of genocide, and I am absolutely positive that a lot of left wingers have absolutely nothing against their heritage OR white people. There's a lot of hyping up going on, and we're running towards a very uncomfortable climax.
Hey, we are on the same page here. I never claimed minorities don't do anything wrong. And I totally agree that criminals should be deported.
I never said that you were one of the people who do that.
Yo... I have the best idea ever.
Let's all convert to muslim and set a better example for the rest of the muslims.
To be honest, I would rather shoot my own brains out than believe that a big magic man in the sky dictates my every action.
The extreme-right is allready beating you to it, but for different reasons.
The whole "Muslims have manly, hairy and testosterony birth-rates, since they buy women and fuck them 12 times a day. We must abandon our soft and gentle western values and bang women more, in order to catch up with Muslim birth-rates, out-birth them, win the epic war, and keep our sacred western values intact! Now bend over woman, and if you dare look at me during the act, I'll bash your face in!"
A whole chapter in Breivik's "compendium" was dedicated to it. Hell, probably several chapters, that thing was like 1000 pages...
He had entire chapters about what kind of clothes fitted mass-killing, including lengthy discussions about the most comfortable socks to wear
If Breivik really wanted attention, he should have converted to Islam and done everything in the name of Allah anyway, imagine if he lived in Afghanistan for a couple of years, joining a muslim rebell group, done everything in their name.
I mean, look at the news coverage these days. If you want to get in the news with your crazy killing sprees, the easiest way is to be a moslem.
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*disclaimer, just to say this, I do not see Islam as a religion of peace.
Buddhism would be the closest, but there are, amazingly enough, violent extremist Buddhists as well
"Meditate more!" *whack, kick, murder!!!*
Yeah, but you have to do some serious mental gymnastics to justify viollence in Buddhism. I mean their big problem, is apathy. Just let everything happen, it's karma.
In Sri Lanka some Buddhist monks advocate viollence against musilims with the argument that they preserve Buddhism. An argument rejected by the Buddha though.
"Monks, even if bandits were to carve you up savagely, limb by limb, with a two-handled saw, he among you who let his heart get angered even at that would not be doing my bidding. Even then you should train yourselves: 'Our minds will be unaffected and we will say no evil words. We will remain sympathetic, with a mind of good will, and with no inner hate. We will keep pervading these people with an awareness imbued with good will and, beginning with them, we will keep pervading the all-encompassing world with an awareness imbued with good will — abundant, expansive, immeasurable, free from hostility, free from ill will.' That's how you should train yourselves."
I am a big fan of Hamed Abdel-Samad and his works, seriously you should check it out. He is a bit ... crazy to say the least, because he directly compares Islam with Fascism, but outside of that I think he makes some very good points.
I have a Quaran at home, and I also read the parts they talk about here, and sadly it's all correct.
Obviously, the Muslims are not the, I know many of them and they are normal people. But, no one can tell me that Islam is a religion of peace or that there isn't an inherent problem with the ideology behind it.
Quite annoying to compare a 2000 year old book to an ideology. Islam isn't a political statement, rather a way of life (which can be seen as a political statement), but it really isn't.
There are many small tid-bits that would level out people's idea of this entire debate, but news outlets don't like unity, because it doesn't seem to sell.
For example, in the aftermath of the worst of the Libyan civil war, when the Muslim Brotherhood was taking over, a lot of the veterans from the fighting felt that their victory had been completely hijacked. I saw reports where fighters, rebels were in tears, others were furiously frustrated. All of them muslims, and all of them outraged that a religious organization was trying to hijack their effort. "Religion is a private matter" was something they repeated. Not to mention the young Egyptian boy going on this eloquent rant against fundamentalism, with one elderly man standing behind him, almost exploding with pride.
These are examples of the muslims that Breivik and his ilk *insist* do not exist, with their "moderate islam is a myth"-rethoric.
That rethoric in itself is an old, time-tested dehumanization tactic, that sadly resonnates in a lot of people, because it plays right into the "good versus evil" idea many have of the world.
He doesn't dictate. the lord gave you a freewill. He just laid down a set a rules that change depending on the mood he is in and only let's a few people in on them, so you should totally listen to them because they are in the know with the big guy and they can tell you what's up.
Did you just assume God's gender?!
I don't think anybody actually argues that. I think that's just a strawman that the right made up to justify there islamophobia.
I think that in the real world most people, regardless of whether left or right, are perfectly happy to admit that terrorists are horrible people who do horrible things, it's just that most of the left think that you shouldn't blame entire ethnic groups for the actions of radical individuals.
I don't think that the entire ethnic group should be persecuted for the actions of one individual, however, we need to improve security, we need to stop these ridiculous things (especially in Germany, a man got arrested for insulting a terrorist and distracting him http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/696646/Thomas-Salbey-Munich-shooter-Ali-Sonboly-prosecution) that prevent us from speaking up about it and actually saying something about it, I mean, come on, there's 30 year old men pretending to be children, how is that NOT suspicious, all I'm saying is, is that we need to control immigration, otherwise well, you know at this point.
The case of Salbey, well when I saw the footage, I thought to my self that he's an idiot. Someone has a gun and is batshit crazy, and all you do is to make him even more angry? What if the guy started to shoot randomly at him and others? You have to talk people out of it, not into it.
An idiot? Maybe, but what he did helped others survive the massacre, had he not, more than 9 people may have died in said slaughter, again, what he did may be considered idiotic to some, but really, the shooter was not going to calm down, the kid was utterly deluded.