Kieron Gillen interviews Pete Hines

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by Brother None, Apr 29, 2008.

  1. Genoq

    Genoq First time out of the vault

    Apr 6, 2008
    Have you ever been on xbox live? Have you ever seen or met or even talked too, over a headset, phone, or forum, one of the "console cattle"? No? I didn't think so.

    Well I have, and I can say with confidence that they are among the dumbest groups of people I have ever seen, and considering I live in Klamath Falls, Oregon, USA, thats saying something.

    They would never even be able to play fallout 1 or 2, let alone enjoy it. They are just like the sheep reading Steven King and thinking he is a great novelist. or the sheep watching a Spielberg movie and thinking he is a great director.

    They are the mainstream, the majority, logic and history dictate they also be morons.

    Wrong. Both Morrowind and Oblivion had good graphics, but they were not the best or even all that special, not even close.
  2. Malukao

    Malukao First time out of the vault

    Dec 2, 2007
    Isn't Bethesda a reputable company, at least in the mainstream market? Reputation is relative depending on the audience you take into consideration.

    That's the problem. I wouldn't mind if the made a FPS or and FPRPG, it sucking or not. I'd even play such a game. The problem is using the Fallout name just to draw attention or due to the fact that it's a well know franchise, instead of coming up with something new. And that's the problem - the lack of creativity and the fact that the target public still buy such games that lack in creativity, playing something that has been seen before a bazillion times and still being able to say it's "innovative".
  3. Drusus

    Drusus First time out of the vault

    May 1, 2008
    I was using the honorable/respectable definition of reputable. Outright lying in prerelease hype to the public about TES:Oblivion in my opinion is less than honorable and definitely not respectable.

    Sorry, my intention was to say their graphical programming improved between each game, not that they were pioneering new frontiers of graphical glory.
  4. Jiggly McNerdington

    Jiggly McNerdington Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Jul 14, 2007
  5. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
    Admin Orderite

    Apr 3, 2003

    One person mentions Star Trek in relation to Bethesda and immediately we go off on this insanity. It's funny what kind of a reflex people get to this.

    I think you kind of missed the fact that it was all one big analogy, Jiggs, Rosh often brings in real-life name coincidences into analogies.
  6. sonicblastoise

    sonicblastoise First time out of the vault

    Apr 28, 2008
    while that may be the case, i was simply stating the fact that beth's reasoning (explicit or implicit, whichever the case may be) that "we want to reach the most people, so let's make it as accessible as possible" is totally untenable.

    at least that's what i think. it's not that i don't AGREE with you, because i've certainly met my fair share of, how shall i say it..."imbecile gamers" (my brother being one) who would never understand the reasons why fallout is as great a game as it is.

    but "we won't make it PnP emulation, or turn-based, or entirely stat-based, because that kind of stuff just doesn't work for gamers now" is totally NOT true.

  7. Dracon M'Alkir

    Dracon M'Alkir Vault Senior Citizen

    Jul 19, 2004
    If it's worth anything, both games brought my gaming machine to its knees on release. :P
  8. Roshambo

    Roshambo Antediluvian as Feck

    Apr 3, 2003
  9. VDweller

    VDweller Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Oct 31, 2005
    Hey Rosh, long time no see. How's life?
  10. nobuo

    nobuo First time out of the vault

    Mar 15, 2007
    Good stuff Rosh. I honestly didn't want that post to end.
  11. Per

    Per Vault Consort Staff Member Admin

    Apr 1, 2004
    Wooz, you're not helping the monolithic NMA-monster image here.

    OK, that makes up for it.
  12. Wooz

    Wooz Vault Sweeper Admin Orderite

    May 18, 2003
    Might be, but we've always respected polite, clear-headed and intelligible posters.

    And good to see you, Rosh. I hope ye'll stick around, otherwise, I trust you'll be around by the time the CTZR* hits us after F3's release.

    *console 'tard zerg rush
  13. Genoq

    Genoq First time out of the vault

    Apr 6, 2008
    No, it totally IS true. The majority of gamers out there are console gamers, or PC+console gamers that might as well stick to consoles. If beth released Fallout 3 with the mechanics its supposed to have, everyone would hate it, exept us, and there is not that many of us, not enough to make the "B1g M0neYz!" anyway.

    However it is my opinion (and its not just my opinion) that Fallout was fucked from the moment bethsoft bought it. Even if they did design it "right" so to speak, they still would have fucked it up somehow. Because as Rosh pointed out numerous times over the years, they just don't have the brains or the talent to pull it off.
  14. sonicblastoise

    sonicblastoise First time out of the vault

    Apr 28, 2008
    i have to concede the rest of your post i suppose. if a QUALITY developer had laid hands on this IP, we would most certainly not be in the predicament we are in presently.

    all hail the corporate machine
  15. Roshambo

    Roshambo Antediluvian as Feck

    Apr 3, 2003
  16. Bernard Bumner

    Bernard Bumner Still Mildly Glowing

    Feb 5, 2007
    Legacy on the PC is generally considered to be a horribly bugged piece of underachievement, particularly marked out by broken promises and missing content. Even were it not for the play-stopping bugs it is, at best, a spectacularly missed opportunity; had they delivered on what they said they would, then it would be a great game.

    Still, Star Trek survives bad games, because it is a multimedia franchise, with many and various forms: primarily, a work of non-gaming fiction. Fallout cannot survive bad games, especially if they're bad because of game-breaking bugs, because it is only a game.

    Once the universe is corrupted and lost, then that is very much that...
  17. nobuo

    nobuo First time out of the vault

    Mar 15, 2007
    That sad part is, it won't flop. All the console cattle, as Rosh so eloquently put it, will buy it like it's free gold. Oblivion was a pitiful game compared to what people were told it was going to be, and anyone with a brain knows it, but it's still touted as teh bezt game ev4r!!!!11!!1 (and it sold like it too if I'm not mistaken). Fallout 3 will sell like mad, Pete Hines knows it, and that's why he doesn't give a crap about alienating the franchise or the fanbase.
  18. Forhekset

    Forhekset Still Mildly Glowing

    Jul 5, 2007
    I agree. Fallout 3 isn't going to flop. It'll sell like hotcakes, just like Bioshock, Gears of War, Oblivion, GTA4 and every other endlessly-hyped game nowadays. It's just like mainstream movies - if you tell people enough times that something is good, they'll buy it and believe it's good. Why wouldn't it be? Everyone said it was so good, after all.
  19. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
    Admin Orderite

    Apr 3, 2003
    Funny, I used to say the same thing about Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel.

    But yes, it's certainly slated to be a success.
  20. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 27, 2003
    Wow Rosh, you certainly know how to make an appearance.

    And yes FOBOS was supposed to be bringing Fallout into the 2000s. With new hardcore bands like Slipknot, pee jokes, and rampant chest beating gameplay, we all figured it would stand right up there with GTA.

    But alas nope. I think the miniscule rpg element it had drove most of the action crowd away.