Movie Thread

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Serge 13, Nov 20, 2011.

  1. Stanislao Moulinsky

    Stanislao Moulinsky Vault Fossil

    Jul 16, 2009
    Part 7 is atrocious, Araki didn't give a single fuck about consistency and retconned and twisted everything he wanted just to move the story forward. What are the powers of Gyro? Who knows. As long as Araki can come up with a connection between a desired effect and rotations/vibrations he can do it. And the steel ball returns to him (even when thrown by others) because who knows. Laziest writing ever. When he retconned the powers of a character and used the retcon as a plot twist I was done with the series.

    He retconned the last panel of an episode with the first panel of the next episode once, for god's sake. And then for good measure he retconned it again one or two episodes later. Talk about making shit up as you go along...
     
  2. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 10, 2011
    You could almost say that it's bizarre.

    [spoiler:cd63c5df6f]Seriously though I don't even know how you made it all the way to part 7 if you care about consistency that much, Jojo has never really been a series too concerned with logic. I mean you could say the same things about the Ripple that you said about the Spin.

    I think you're just taking it too seriously. I mean this is the manga that has panels that say things like "my nam is, (u don't need to remember) Guanglai Kangyi". You don't need to overthink it just enjoy the ride.[/spoiler:cd63c5df6f]

    [spoiler:cd63c5df6f]and it's a great ride...
    [/spoiler:cd63c5df6f]
     
  3. Stanislao Moulinsky

    Stanislao Moulinsky Vault Fossil

    Jul 16, 2009
    Until part 5 Araki laid rules and powers and didn't stray too far from them. He took weird liberties now and then (controlling zombies with the Ripple?) but never to the levels reached in part 7.

    Duwang? What's that? Isn't the city called Morio Cho?
     
  4. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Alpharius oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010
    Wow, plenty of answers and suggestions.
    I'm too lazy to quote each of you, but regardless, I thank you for your help. Hopefully, I will check out (majority) of these.
     
  5. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 10, 2011
    lol no he didn't the Ripple's power is pretty much just whatever Araki needed it to be for the plot to advance.

    Plus the early parts are loaded with way more inconsistencies than the later parts. Like how Erina and Dio both somehow survived the shipwreck in the same coffin.

    Did you not read part 4? :?

    I wasn't even aware there were any completed alternatives to the Duwang translation yet. Speaking of which, the only reason part 5 sucks so much is because it's the most poorly translated in the series .
     
  6. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    It just sounds to me like Jo Jo's Bizzarre adventure is the typical generic Shonen written with not even a fuck given, like Bleach, One Piece and Dragon Ball.
     
  7. Akratus

    Akratus Bleep bloop.

    May 14, 2011
    Well, I've been completely been turned off superhero movies just by watching Iron Man 3. What the hell was that crap?! You just shove a load of crap in without any focus. The first two were average movies yes, but the first focused on Tony Stark becoming iron man and then dealing with the repercussions, that is his colleague trying to take it from him. Not complicated, not deep, but it works. The second one was about an old friend of tony's father who wants revenge for his families work on setting up Stark industries being used only to get the starks power, with his family being cast off. Again like the first it works.

    This third one . . oh boy, where do I start.

    [spoiler:6eca8a3299]-The mandarin is built up as the villain in the first half, then shown to be just a silly actor. Derailing an already fumbled story.

    -The real villain, mister extremis inventor doesn't even have a motivation to go after tony. He just does what he does because he's an evil scientist. With magic red eye fire breath super strength evil bioengineer power.

    -There was a good scene at the beginning of 2 where tony actually said some things. No great dialogue that builds a solid framework of a plot like in classics and memorable movies, but a scene for him to be him. In this one he just mumbles and makes bad jokes in every scene. Because that's what tony does right? Because that's what people want to see, random stuff, thrown in, no rhyme or reason. Not even a tiny one.

    Then there's these questions:
    -How is there no reaction from the actual ten rings organization, you know, the one we actually saw in the first movie, when Mr Killian invents a bin laden that is supposed to be their leader. "Yeah, hello earth, we've never heard of this Mandarin guy supposed to be leading us."

    -How could you invent the biggest terrorist on earth anyway? He is not actually doing any terrorist actions! He's not anywhere shooting people up or nothing!

    -What was Mr. Killians actual motivation? Does he even have one?

    -No tension, no scenes where actors can be actors and shine a little bit, no focus at all in the plot, which renders the characters, dialogue and action meaningless, just shit, fuck this, fuck everybody.[/spoiler:6eca8a3299]
     
  8. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Thirding this. I read one volume in a night - several hours, at best. I can stay on a single page for minutes. Needless to say, at such a pace, the volume will take hours by itself.
    It's not a competition. I love to take my time with this.

    But ALL volumes, in two hours!?
    Maybe if you're Derren Brown.
     
  9. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 10, 2011
    It's the shonen manga that all those shonen manga try to imitate but fail at.

    Kind of like how there are a lot of linear FPS games that try to imitate Half-Life 2 but are nowhere near as good. Stanislao doesn't know what he's talking about, it's just generic internet hate I think.
     
  10. Stanislao Moulinsky

    Stanislao Moulinsky Vault Fossil

    Jul 16, 2009
    Most of all the applications shown are all tied to control of liquids/fluids. Walking on waters, repelling high pressure oil, the exploding cactus, straightening hairs, connecting leaves to use as parachutes and so on. What's more important is that he reused mutiple times any given application, he didn't just come up with a power, used it one time and then thrown it away. True, there was stuff that made no sense any way you slice it but there was a much stronger common theme among all the powers compared to the Spin. It may have also helped that the Ripple appeared in just 12 volumes while Steel Ball Run lasted for 24 volumes.

    It's not the same coffin. For one Dio's had (in part 1, not just part 3 mind you) a flat cover, while the one used by Erina had a...er...rounded? cover. It probably was the coffin of the zombified chinese man.

    I read the italian -and officially translated- version. One of the first mangas I started reading actually, back in 1993 (first issue I bought was JoJo's battle with Wahm in Rome, gosh I feel old :().

    Riiiiiight. :roll:
     
  11. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 10, 2011
    It is the same coffin, only one coffin was on board and Wang Chan didn't have one because he was disguised as a passenger on the ship (he converted everyone else to zombies). Araki just forgot.

    You read it in a language other than Japanese or English? No wonder you didn't like it.
     
  12. Stanislao Moulinsky

    Stanislao Moulinsky Vault Fossil

    Jul 16, 2009
    No, it isn't.

    [spoiler:cbad8c6078][/spoiler:cbad8c6078]

    How do you know he didn't have one? How do you know he embarked as a passenger? The manga says nothing on the matter. And he embarked in broad daylight despite being a zombie?

    So there are two coffins that look different and Wang Chan was on board with no explicite explanations. What do you make of it?

    What's this even supposed to mean? At least I hadn't to wait 15 years to read it.

    Edit. We are going a bit off-topic I think.
     
  13. Akratus

    Akratus Bleep bloop.

    May 14, 2011
    Holy shit you guys! A whole new world has opened up to me! I've discovered the sprawling works of the internet fan editor community. A better star wars trilogy, a not ruined spiderman 3, a planet of the apes 6 movie combo with a story that loops on itself, pulp star fiction wars, and a lot more crazy shit is all possible.
     
  14. Wintermind

    Wintermind Vault Senior Citizen

    Jan 21, 2011
    I finally got around to watching Jango the other night.

    I fucking love Tarantino.
     
  15. WorstUsernameEver

    WorstUsernameEver But best title ever!

    May 28, 2010
    @Akratus: Not that Iron Man 3 has a great script, but you're conflating your knowledge from the comic books to the movie universe. [spoiler:f7fd98923c]There's no mention of the ten rings at all in this movie and just a few, minor mentions in the earlier movies. I don't recall the Mandarin ever explicitly being mentioned as their leader, so it's perfectly possible they are a totally separate organization with a different honcho.

    Also, have you actually watched the movie? The very first scene sets mr. loser nerd as the main villain and someone with a grudge against Stark. The movie is really unsubtle about it too, and even gives him a little villain speech to make that clear.[/spoiler:f7fd98923c]

    I mean, the movie has pacing problems, a generally dumb script and is overreliant on humor (most of the jokes are pretty bad too, most of the people in the theater weren't laughing), but your criticism doesn't really ring true at all and feels, well, nerdy. And in a bad way.
     
  16. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Lebanon
    2009, Israel


    With the entire movie shot from inside a tank, this movie is unique by default. In many ways a typical "anti-war" film, it is original, and manages to employ many a good effect, although it might get a tad bit predictable/preachy I am willing to forgive all of that for the sake of originality, tension and intension. What more can one ask anyway, right?
    So, I'm giving it a good solid score, out of ten.
     
  17. Akratus

    Akratus Bleep bloop.

    May 14, 2011
    You think I read superhero comics? Nah, I'm just some crazy guy with a weird taste for semi-serious and not overblown superhero movies.
     
  18. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Alpharius oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010
    From inside a tank?

    That sounds pretty cool. Definitely original.

    Maybe I'll check it out.
     
  19. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    All outside clips are shown through the turret aim.
    You can tell when he is moving the camera vs when he is moving the whole turret, from the sound it makes. It definitely is a very interesting movie, and if you like gritty war-movies, a must-see!
     
  20. Verd1234

    Verd1234 Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Jan 16, 2009