Movie Thread

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Serge 13, Nov 20, 2011.

  1. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    TDKR is even worse than Begins, I have a very low opinion of that trilogy, but even then Rises has the biggest amountof plot holes and the most paper thin characters of the trilogy.
  2. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010
    To be honest, I usually give superhero films an excuse for being...well that, superhero films. I don't really expect mind-blowing storyline or characters, any sort of depth to it. I just expect good fun which doesn't turn out to be a fest of tasteless choices by the director.

    I've never felt that Nolan did any of those things, and considering the character he has taken upon, I feel he did just fine (I'm not a big Batman fan, but I've read a comic a bit, seen films, seen cartoons, and know a bit about the character in general and its various incarnations...since there is a lot to him, from great moments to pure shit, I think Nolan did it fine, and frankly, don't understand a good deal of negative comments he's been getting).

    Like I've said, in the end, the film kept my attention and I enjoyed it, but I hope Nolan won't go lower than this...
  3. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    The Batman in the Nolan films is pretty much, not Batman. I prefer to call him swaman because that's all he is, some dude in armor that doesn't do detective work, or thinks for himself. I mean he spent half the second movie getting ordered around by Gordon and Dent. And in the third one he gets outsmarted by every single character, even falling for Catowman's obvious trap.

    And that is just one of the many things that put me off about those movies.

    The Batman movies feel like Nolan just wants the paycheck so he dresses up some half assed idea he had for a movie that he never got to complete as Batman and expects the costume to keep it afloat.
  4. Akratus

    Akratus Bleep bloop.

    May 14, 2011
    Personally I find Batman Begins to be far worse. That one hadn't yet stepped completely into the new age of movie visuals. A radio reviewer somewhere in the uk whom I stumbled upon on youtube called it an arthouse film. A fucking arthouse film! It's the exact opposite!

    In this scene for example, you can see bad acting, non exciting writing, a weird looking unconvincing gasmask design, unconvincing sets/lighting and ninjas in huge plastic ski gear. This is just one scene, yes, but the slums setting was unconvincing on the whole for me, and the villain was hugely ineffective because of the writing, cartoon henchmen and stumbling acting. There are good scenes yes, but not enough to carry the movie. Besides, a villain speaking of destroying a city because of it's crimes, whilst only gassing a small impoverished part of the city doesn't create any tension for me and isn't very logical. Yes Ras' tries to gass the whole city later on, but they didn't focus on this much at all. We don't even see what great crimes the city supposedly commits, only on a small scale. Joe Chill, the drugs storyline, the mob and that's it basically.

    It wasn't wholly bad of course. The corruption shown in the scene where bruce speaks to the mob leader was effective in this.

    But the whole movie is simply the same old batman origin we've already seen dozens of times. We already know this story. Nolan didn't add anything substantial to it. He simply redesigned the look of it and changed minor elements. Seeing Bruce's parents die for the umpteenth time doesn't do anything for me.
    If adding a hugely simple theme to it that wasn't emphasized previously (namely the "Why do we fall? So we can pick ourselves up." theme) makes it good then it seems making stories is easier than I thought.

    The movie also doesn't satisfy me on an action level. They dropped it in the sequel but this movie suffered terribly from shaky cam nonsense.

    So overall I am simply unconvinced by the movie, it doesn't seem at all real to me. I didn't like origin story in which I do not care in the slightest about batman and I disliked the gas plot even more.

    In the origin story there isn't much logic to be found either. We don't get a reason for Bruce Wayne doing the things he does. And you desperately need one when your story is about an illogical need to single handedly beat down on crime. Leaving psychotic behavior as a reasonable explanation is not a good thing for the hero. Bruce even blows up a building with dozens of people inside right after he explains how he never wants to kill anyone

    So I would rank the movies 2-3-1. Batman Begins is a 4/10 for me, TDK a 8/10, rises a 7.

    Although I see less flaws in Rises than in the Dark Knight, Rises at least is more exciting on a visual level. And I think it could have been more enjoyable than TDK if these few nagging flaws that can overshadow the whole movie weren't there.

    -Bane takes over the city quite late in the movie. We don't get a chance to sympathize with the city's suffering because we see so little of it.
    -That also means that Bruce Wayne's plight in the hole is oversimplified to the point where it doesn't work anymore. It's over too quickly and the breaking of his body is simply another obstacle he gets past easily. I feel that this particular point is the biggest flaw in the movie, since Bruce Wayne is finally a character you can sympathize with a little, but then he isn't given an effective arc. It wasn't incorporated into the story very well. This injury should maybe have spanned 2 movies, be given at least some seriousness and actual effect on the story and it's characters. Batman doesn't have anything more than a black and white villain v hero relation with bane(besides the league of shadows thing), and that's the most dissapointing part of the movie. This may seem like a rant, but the same thing applies (Perhaps even more) to the Joker. In the sense that there is no connection between them, and the Joker is an even shallower character than Bane. So this being the biggest flaw of the movie doesn't mean I put TDK on a sort of pedestal.
    -Bane and Talia's plan was. . . I won't say that it was pointless. Because many people thought that they were simply looking to destroy Gotham as Ras Al Ghul wanted and thus thought that the plan was illogical. This is the biggest complaint I see all over the internet. This is not the case. It was a case of psychopathic revenge. There is no reason given specifically for their plan being so overcomplex and rash. But there was a reason for them doing it. They simply wanted to enact the most brutal vengeance on Batman for the death of Ras Al Ghul. But one can see that perhaps with Ras' death, the league is gone. And their rash actions are the result of them responding to the death of the league. But that bit is speculation of course.
    -Catwoman and Batman hooking up. This is fine with me on it's own, but wasn't set up as well as it could have been. He like what, kisses her once? And they fight together a little? He had sex with Talia too, that isn't an issue for batman apparantly. This isn't a big flaw, so I'm willing to look past this.
    -Bruce Wayne fakes his own death AS WELL as Batman's on the same day. Now this is not the biggest flaw but in my mind the stupidest. There was NO reason for him to do this and it only creates more problems. It renders the final scene illogical, since his fake death would be uncovered the moment someone recognizes him. And for a world famous billionaire that's not hard.
  5. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010

    Hey man, both you and Walp make good points, nothing to say more.

    Still, like I've said, I never expected anything more from a superhero film and in the end, I'm pretty satisfied with the 2 hours of life I've spent on it. I don't care much about the film in order to dabble with its flaws too much - which are most certainly there.

    Again, this film, and I perhaps the whole trilogy, are in my opinion the worst Nolan films. Not that I think Nolan is such an amazing director as many think he is - I have watched a good deal of his works, and the only one I've fully enjoyed was Memento.
  6. Akratus

    Akratus Bleep bloop.

    May 14, 2011
    The Prestige is really good, too. More so than any of his batman movies. In fact it's one of my favorite movies of all time.

    You gotta love it even just because David Bowie plays Nikola Tesla and Andy Serkis is his assistant.
  7. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010

    Actually, I have never seen The Prestige in its entirety, which I regard as a hole in my knowledge of films after 2000. I never got around to it.

    I will do so these days, since I have plenty of free time.
  8. Akratus

    Akratus Bleep bloop.

    May 14, 2011
    I swear, for me it's one of the best movies made in 2000-2010, and you miss out if you don't go and watch it asap.
  9. Verd1234

    Verd1234 Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Jan 16, 2009
    Speaking of Nolan...

    The other day, I saw Following also directed by Nolan. Pretty good. If you like Memento, you should check it out....

    Below is a short film( around 3 minutes) that Nolan made when he was a student (I think) ....kinda creepy....


    EDIT: Also, Ben Affleck is the next Batman
  10. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010

    They forgot to list Val Kilmer as one of previous Batmans. I won't watch that film, anyway.
    Also, Doodlebug is awesome.

    Anyway, I've seen The Prestige. Akratus is right, definitely one of the best films in the 2000-2010 time span, and I suppose I could, if not list it higher, then make it equal with Memento.

    Superb writing, directing, and most importantly, acting. Everyone played their parts so well, Jackman and Bale have a really good on-screen chemistry, if I'm not wrong with the term.

    I'm a bit puzzled by Jackman, though. He seems to me as a really good actor, but he constantly plays in some bad films. Guess picking a role isn't his strong side. Luckily, he nailed this one.
  11. UniversalWolf

    UniversalWolf eaten by a grue.

    Aug 28, 2005
    I watched Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho last night, for the first time in years. It's still a great movie after 53 years.

    BTW, in case anyone is interested, TCM is running a bunch of science fiction movies on Friday nights in September. Here's the lineup for the month:

    Things To Come
    Escape From New York
    Soylent Green
    Minority Report
    Logan's Run
    Mad Max
    La Jetee
    A.I.: Artificial Intelligence
    Total Recall (1990)
    The Time Machine (1960)
    World Without End
    The Omega Man
    A Boy And His Dog
  12. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010
    I've gone through Neon Genesis Evangelion and The End of Evangelion in less than three days.

    Damn, that was enjoyable.
    It looked dull in the beginning, for a moment there, but I absolutely fell in love with it.
    The ending of the series/film is really...spectacular, I'd say, but I see why many didn't like it.
  13. Atomic Postman

    Atomic Postman Mojave Express Employee of the Month

    Mar 16, 2013
    I recently watched Europa Report.

    I went in thinking it was going to be some shitty POV Sci-Fi Horror movie about zombies on a spaceship.

    How wrong I was, it's not even horror, its very realistic and wouldn't feel out of place on National Geographic.

    Excellent movie, it gets an 8/10 from me.

    The trailer is not representative of the film at all.
  14. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    I hate showing (intelligent) people a trailer for a movie I've enjoyed, because the trailer does it best to make the movie seem dumber than it is, in order to caaater to the maaasses - instead of the actual target audience of the movie. It's very frustrating, and I always have to add "Oh, by the way, that trailer is not representative of the film at all."
  15. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Show them a clip.
  16. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Apr 10, 2011
    You should watch Madoka if you haven't already, you'll probably like it.
  17. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010

    Puella Magi Madoka Magica?
  18. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Apr 10, 2011

    Don't worry it's not as girly as it looks.
  19. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010
    I might watch it, thanks for recommendation, but later. I currently have some other anime on the list.

    Ever seen Wolf's Rain?
  20. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    I got recomended a series called Watamote, it's about a girl with extreme social anxiety and emocional issues, sounds like me, except a girl. Don't know if I should watch it, I liked Welcome to the NHK but with this one it would seem like a "Yo, Dawg" joke.