Opinions on Communism

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Bond Fan, Jul 7, 2016.

  1. aenemic

    aenemic Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Jun 4, 2008
  2. Deeves

    Deeves Well, he went a little funny in the head . . .

    96
    Jan 21, 2016
    I think Communism is unachievable for large societies but is the best system for smaller organizations like corporations. I think we'd have a lot more happy middle class of people and a lot less total market crashes if the only way CEOs could raise their paycheck was to also raise the whole company's average pay to the same amount as well. There would be no managers, or their managers, or any upper management at all. Just one block of well treated employees who get a vote on the good of the whole of the company and their future, not just for good of a few wall street investors.

    What a beautiful world that would be.
     
  3. aenemic

    aenemic Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Jun 4, 2008
    A big part of this is because fast food and premade dinners are cheaper than buying fresh healthy food. On top of that, a lot of poor people who don't have a steady employment and have to run two or three jobs don't have the same time and energy to exercise. Then there are the connections that can be made between level of education and healthy living. And before you say it, no people are not genetically stupid simply because they lack an education. Yes, there are loads of dumb and lazy people in the world. But I do not believe that one is born dumb and lazy.

    You have a way of oversimplifying things and seem to lack the ability of abstract thinking. You come across as very naive.
     
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  4. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I think it also depends on where you put the limit at which point you consider something poverty. I just had this discussion with my room mate. I fall under this stasticial line, which is considered a "poverty level". But I neither feel poor nor do I have an awfull lot of issues with money, I can still buy the food I like, cooking my own meals and all of that. However, I also have no kidz and I don't have very high expenses, like a car - in this city, you really don't need one. Where as my roomate, and also a long time friend, earns a fuck ton of money with his job, and he kinda thinks Germany isn't doing so well. When I ask him, what nation he considers to be in a better place than Germany, he names Switzerland. And he just blew my mind. I mean yeah ... there are nations that are better than Germany, but it's really just a handfull and the difference isn't like between Germany and Somalia. When you compare Germany to the other 90% of this world, the picture looks very different.

    I think the people that suffer from serious poverty are usually not extremly obese. Germany and the US have still a relatively high standard when it comes to living, which also includes the one with lower income, when you compare it like the rest of the world. I am NOT saying there arn't a lot of people with serious issues out there! But it doesn't hurt to put things sometimes a bit in to perspective. Particulaly in Germany people are used to complaining about every shit nowadays.
     
  5. Illuminati Confirmed!

    Illuminati Confirmed! Banned

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    Dec 15, 2015
    So now capitalism is to blame that the poor can't into moderation. Great.

    Y'know, there are also connections to be made between level of education and intelligence.

    He determined triumphantly while peddling egalitarian gibberish.
     
  6. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Either you are remarkably lacking in analytical skills, or you are pretending to be, to troll us all.

    I have to admit, the "I really AM this stupid!"-troll angle is one of the most annoying I know of, because there is really no way to counter it...
     
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  7. Eshanas

    Eshanas Vault Dweller

    715
    Jul 6, 2016
    It seems again the political thread posits that NMA is full of - DUN DUN DUN - PINKOS!

    Quick, insert that Giant Robot (TM) Quote here!
     
  8. Buxbaum666

    Buxbaum666 Heterostructured Nanorod oTO Orderite

    Dec 5, 2003
    Well, someone has to balance out the racists.
     
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  9. aenemic

    aenemic Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Jun 4, 2008
    For someone who demands arguments from everyone else, you sure do lack them yourself.
     
  10. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    What is intelligence for you? You keep throwing that around a lot ... but honestly I am not completely sure what you see as very intelligent.

    Objectively, what is capitalism for you? And how does it work? I am not saying capitalism is to blame for ALL of the problems we experience, they are man made after all. But when I look at it objectivelly ... you can't say that capitalism is exactly build on the principle that everyone can be equally succesfully.
     
  11. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Crni, you keep assuming that a social darwinist wants people to be equally successfull.
    In that kind of philosophy is inherent the notion that people are NOT equal, and point to the reality that people, well, are inequal. There are rich people, there are poor people, there's strong people, and weak people.
    "weak" in particular, is a very loaded concept, it can be illness or poverty or any other negative attribute

    The social darwinist does not necesarily see this as any kind of unfair, beyond the notion that the weak steal resources meant for the strong (yet they seem to disregard that this would make the strong less strong, if the strong are dominated in this way by the weak)

    I keep coming back to projecting, because why would someone genuinely strong have such disdain for the weak? In both apes and early hominids, we see evidence of loyalty within a group. Healing remedies are invented by hominids precisely to save the weak from perishing, if they are indeed part of our community. Both physical wounds as well as mental illnesses have been tended to for litterally millions of years in the human lineage, as it can be observed in the fossil record in for example Homo erectus, but also in living chimpanzees (where it has been observed sympathy shown by strong chimps towards mentally ill or straggling individuals, as long as they are part of the same community)
    Chimpanzee-like hominids separate from our direct lineage by about five million years, so by "phylogenetic bracketing" we can assume that this kind of attention has existed in practically all branches of hominid for the past 5 million years at least. This makes the idea of "humanism" extremely relevant to... being human.

    These boooring technicalities of sciiience and mooonkeys are obviously totally irrelevant to someone with a dedicated fascist agenda, unless they FIT their agenda, like when they adore to bring up how wolves survive due to blood-guzzling viciousness, while completely ignoring that big part of wolf interaction is soft and intimate - that animals communicate ALL ranges of emotion, not only tyrannical and brutal ones

    But yeah, in the end, trying to cater to the "soft-hearted humanist" in a social darwinist is a waste of time.
     
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  12. Eshanas

    Eshanas Vault Dweller

    715
    Jul 6, 2016
    Social Democracy > Social Darwinism
     
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  13. Mak

    Mak The Ayatollah of Rock and Rollah!

    80
    Aug 22, 2016
    I'd rather die than live in the Soviet Union.

    *tips ranger hat*
     
  14. Izak

    Izak I Shot The ALBATROSS

    Jan 29, 2016
    That's pretty drastic (though, I imagine, sarcastic), dude.
     
  15. Mak

    Mak The Ayatollah of Rock and Rollah!

    80
    Aug 22, 2016
    I'm just a drastic sort of dude, dude.
     
  16. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Communism does that to the feeble-minded.
    That goes in both directions, btw.
     
  17. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    Only the most weak personalities have committed suicide during occupation. The most hardcore ones became dissidents!
     
  18. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    If you're young and not a communist, then you have no heart!
    If you're old, and still a communist then you don't have a brain!
    This is actually a communist saying if I remember correctly.
     
  19. Izak

    Izak I Shot The ALBATROSS

    Jan 29, 2016
    Not sure about communism but I know Churchill supposedly said something to a similar effect.

    'Anyone who was not a liberal at 20 years of age had no heart, while anyone who was still a liberal at 40 had no head.'​
     
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  20. Moosick

    Moosick cats

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    Jul 8, 2015
    Problem with questions like this is that you conflate Marxist theory with false implementations of it.

    There's plenty to criticize about the theory itself. That it is so different to the practice seems to fly over heads.